The Great BMW Debate

[Galt]

What if someone mugs a little old lady on the street?
What if someone murders their partner?

Questions of murder will probably settled in private civil courts. If you steal $100, you owe $100 plus $x in damages; if you take a life, you owe a life. If no one takes you to court, no harm, no foul, otherwise, you will owe a life, or whatever sum on money is agreed upon, to the family or estate of the deceased. Note that here, the death penalty will only be carried out if there is a market demand for it. Unlike many contemporary legal systems, there won't be any systematic executing of criminals, what a cold bastard I must be.

[TomViolenz]

@ everybody

You guys are fun. Just to clarify a few points, when I say that a libertarian justice system will primarily be comprised of fines, forced labor and executions, I am not describing a system but rather a predictable market trend. I am not condoning anything, I am simply speculating. See the difference?

Now let me explain why I make those predictions, taking the example of forced labor:

Imagine a person of medium income, who one night gets shit-faced, causes a car crash that totals 5 cars. For simplicity's sake, let's assume that no one is injured. At this point, the man owes $X, but how much exactly? The cost of repairing or replacing the cars, that much is certain, but what about damages? Either he and the offended can come to some agreement, at which point everybody walks away happy, or no agreement can be found. Enter the private court system...

You with me so far?

But there is already a seperation into a civil and a criminal justice system, exactly for this reason.
So the only thing that should effect his ciminal sentencing (IMO) should be the drunk driving. The damages to be paid should be determined in a civil court.

I would do away with criminal sentencing altogether. If all offended parties are content with the settlement, no harm no foul.

Modern societies are about subduing unwanted base urges in its members.
There needs to be a real price to pay to discourage people to behave asocialy.
I just wish people wouldn't want to use it as a tool for revange!

[TomViolenz]

What if someone mugs a little old lady on the street?
What if someone murders their partner?

Questions of murder will probably settled in private civil courts. If you steal $100, you owe $100 plus $x in damages; if you take a life, you owe a life. If no one takes you to court, no harm, no foul, otherwise, you will owe a life, or whatever sum on money is agreed upon, to the family or estate of the deceased. Note that here, the death penalty will only be carried out if there is a market demand for it. Unlike many contemporary legal systems, there won't be any systematic executing of criminals, what a cold bastard I must be.

If you look at your fellow human beings, you would know that there would always be market demand for executions. In the middle ages people went to public executions like we go to the movies today

[andydes]

What if someone mugs a little old lady on the street?
What if someone murders their partner?

Questions of murder will probably settled in private civil courts. If you steal $100, you owe $100 plus $x in damages; if you take a life, you owe a life. If no one takes you to court, no harm, no foul, otherwise, you will owe a life, or whatever sum on money is agreed upon, to the family or estate of the deceased. Note that here, the death penalty will only be carried out if there is a market demand for it. Unlike many contemporary legal systems, there won't be any systematic executing of criminals, what a cold bastard I must be.

If you leave everything up to the victim to agree a settlement, it could breakdown for cases where they know the perpetrator. This is already problem with things like domestic violence, child abuse and when little thugs terrorise their neighbors.

Seems this would only make it worse.

[Galt]

Modern societies are about subduing unwanted base urges in its members.
There needs to be a real price to pay to discourage people to behave asocialy.
I just wish people wouldn't want to use it as a tool for revange!

Hence "damages", to be agreed upon privately or determined by a jury of peers. But punishment as dissuasion, with people being make examples of—how repressive and barbaric!

[Galt]

If you look at your fellow human beings, you would know that there would always be market demand for executions. In the middle ages people went to public executions like we go to the movies today

This is why I predict executions. See how clever I am.

[Galt]

What if someone mugs a little old lady on the street?
What if someone murders their partner?

Questions of murder will probably settled in private civil courts. If you steal $100, you owe $100 plus $x in damages; if you take a life, you owe a life. If no one takes you to court, no harm, no foul, otherwise, you will owe a life, or whatever sum on money is agreed upon, to the family or estate of the deceased. Note that here, the death penalty will only be carried out if there is a market demand for it. Unlike many contemporary legal systems, there won't be any systematic executing of criminals, what a cold bastard I must be.

If you leave everything up to the victim to agree a settlement, it could breakdown for cases where they know the perpetrator. This is already problem with things like domestic violence, child abuse and when little thugs terrorise their neighbors.

Seems this would only make it worse.

Like I said, when settlements can't be agreed upon, shit goes to trial.

[andydes]

It wouldn't go to trail though if there's no state prosecution.

Because intimidation.

[Galt]

It wouldn't go to trail though if there's no state prosecution.

Because intimidation.

I have very little patience for pussies.

[andydes]

Great, so not only better legal protection for rich people, but better for the biggest arseholes.

That's a fine system the liberations have thought up.

[andydes]

Clearly, I'm in the wrong game. I should write a book full of half baked ideas and make myself a few million.

[Galt]

^ This.

People are suckers. I'm currently working on a self-help porn book called Mars and Anus.

[TomViolenz]

It wouldn't go to trail though if there's no state prosecution.

Because intimidation.

I have very little patience with pussies.

Some (especially younger) guys have this problem, but self control can be learned

[TomViolenz]

Clearly, I'm in the wrong game. I should write a book full of half baked ideas and make myself a few million.

Sometimes when I look into the shelves of book stores, I ask myself why I'm not doing exactly this!
Sometimes It feels like the ones with the half baked ideas are even the good ones
I mean, half baked ideas are better then just pulling them straight from the arse like the rest do, right?!

[TomViolenz]

^ This.

People are suckers. I'm currently working on a self-help porn book called Mars and Anus.

So you don't have the same problem with the backside then?!