Feature someone who isn't minimal techno, pls.

[beats me]

I think I know what’s going on with you Tom. Despite the tens of thousands of people, commercial sponsorships, and the plethora of well-known or commercially successful artists, you think you are participating in some renegade little known underground history making party simply because you are sleeping in a tent.

[TomViolenz]

In SA the median age at the festivals is about 30 as far as I can make out. I and my posse raise that number some. And our camp tends to be very comfortable

Tent or hotel at your festivals?

(I find that hotels go against everything that I asociate with festivals!)

So what do you do when a festival is in a major city and there's no camp ground in sight? Or do you not consider those gatherings a festival?

I guess I wouldn't. But I don't think there are actually many multi day/multi artist events in the city of Berlin.
Well except of course for the all week-end techno clubs. (My favorite ATM Sisyphos: http://www.sisyphos-berlin.net/festsaal.html)

But in summer there are basically hundreds in an area of about 200km around Berlin. They are always in fields, on the side of lakes or on old airfields.
Some have big name artists, but the majority are just music enthusiasts from mostly Berlin, who rent a field put up a few stages and food stalls and let bands/acts play that they like.

My favorite last summer was Camp Tipsy.
4 days, 15 Euros Entrance fee, beers 2 Euros, food (usually vegetarian) 2.50€. 5 stages mixed electronic and other music. political group discussions, theater performances they even made an old hut into a nude bar

Homepage with pictures: https://camptipsy2012.wordpress.com/danke-2013-fotos/

And here a quick video some band made of the set up phase and some of their concert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rcL467 ... detailpage

[TomViolenz]

I think I know what’s going on with you Tom. Despite the tens of thousands of people, commercial sponsorships, and the plethora of well-known or commercially successful artists, you think you are participating in some renegade little known underground history making party simply because you are sleeping in a tent.

Check the links I posted above, and form your own opinion

[regretfullySaid]

(I find that hotels go against everything that I asociate with festivals!)

I don't get this at all.

I like camping in the woods and don't see camping at a festival as a turn off. I love running around in the rain and getting muddy, but a hotel option is enticing, and there's no less freedom there. Getting debaucherous at a hotel after a concert is more rock'n'roll if you think about it, because there are obstacles like 'normal' people, the possibility of getting caught by staff doing 'rock'n'roll' things, and it's more fun when you run into other concert goers staying at the hotel. Then you have all the comforts of the hotel room and bar, plus privacy when you want it. The most basic reason would be that I'd rather fuck in the comfort and privacy of a hotel room, take a nice hot shower, order room service or delivery from somewhere close, and get snug in a big bed. I'm not a hygiene freak, but if a hotel is close, then I also don't have to bother with camping luggage and inventory. An actual camping trip for hiking and rappelling on the other hand, I'm all out for it.

Of course you could be meaning in a specific context, where it's more practical to camp because you're in BFE like Burning Man or the festival that video is showing, but 'going against', I don't get. Am I selfishly abandoning my brothers and sisters or something?

[TomViolenz]

(I find that hotels go against everything that I asociate with festivals!)

I don't get this at all.

I like camping in the woods and don't see camping at a festival as a turn off. I love running around in the rain and getting muddy, but a hotel option is enticing, and there's no less freedom there. Getting debaucherous at a hotel after a concert is more rock'n'roll if you think about it, because there are obstacles like 'normal' people, the possibility of getting caught by staff doing 'rock'n'roll' things, and it's more fun when you run into other concert goers staying at the hotel. Then you have all the comforts of the hotel room and bar, plus privacy when you want it. The most basic reason would be that I'd rather fuck in the comfort and privacy of a hotel room, take a nice hot shower, order room service or delivery from somewhere close, and get snug in a big bed. I'm not a hygiene freak, but if a hotel is close, then I also don't have to bother with camping luggage and inventory. An actual camping trip on the other hand, I'm all out for it.

If you're saying that goes against some community/hippy aesthetic, keep it. I go to shows to enjoy music, not to feel like I'm part of some special inclusive club.

Of course you could be meaning in a specific context, where it's more practical to camp because you're in BFE like Burning Man or the festival that video is showing, but 'going against', I don't get. Am I selfishly abandoning my brothers and sisters or something?

If you don't get the charm of it after watching the linked video and photos, then we are just way different people I guess.

[stringtapper]

Tent? Pfft.

If you're even sleeping at a festival then you just don't get it.

[TomViolenz]

Tent? Pfft.

If you're even sleeping at a festival then you just don't get it.

I know what you mean
But staying awake for 3 days is not as easy (or enjoyable really!) as it used to be

[TomViolenz]

Am I selfishly abandoning my brothers and sisters or something?

Is it the bad atmosphere in the Lounge lately, or why would you interpret me saying "Without tents, it's not a real festival for me", as "You are selfishly abandoning your brothers and sisters" ?!

My choice can be valid, without yours being evil, no?!

[regretfullySaid]

If you don't get the charm of it after watching the linked video and photos, then we are just way different people I guess.

I 'get' it, and that doesn't have to make us 'way' different people. I've camped at the same types of things, but those aren't the same as major music festivals, which is what I'm talking about. But if I'm going through all the kiosks, buying artists works, signing petitions, participating in dances, talking and sharing with everyone but then going to a hotel I'm still the enemy?

My choice can be valid, without yours being evil, no?!

Well, you didn't just say 'I prefer', you said

(I find that hotels go against everything that I associate with festivals!)

which is a pretty absolute statement, casting judgement on anyone who doesn't sleep at the grounds overnight.

So this must be a mix-up of definitions then. You're talking about small DIY festivals more close to BFE and not focused centrally on music. I'm talking about something like coachella.

[TomViolenz]

I 'get' it, and that doesn't have to make us 'way' different people. That kind of reasoning does seem similar to the some of the supposed hippy-types of people I've known living the jam-band festival lifestyle, though. Sure, it's all peace and love to the people inside the circle, but instant judgement to people outside of it, which seems pretty hypocritical to me; not very open-minded. Makes me think of adolescents in the 'what stereotype do I fit in?' phase. So if I'm going through all the kiosks, buying artists works, signing petitions, participating in dances, talking and sharing with everyone but then going to a hotel I'm still the enemy?

I have no idea where you the feeling from that you are an enemy? Was it that short ribbing of beats me, where I wrote "you are what's wrong with...."?!
Damn humor really translates badly on the internet

I meant no such thing, and where ever you sleep is fine with me.
And no one at that festival would have thought anything about it. They where not judgmental people and no inside circle was even apparent at the festival! I certainly don't belong to any circles, inside or not

I just had the feeling, you and beats me didn't like the vibe of "tent festivals", so I tried to make a case for them.
And I think I also defuted beats me's opinion of me just thinking there are real underground festivals, while everything is sponsored by corporations.
There are probably at least dozens around Berlin!

[Galt]

I heard that Fifty Shades of Grey actually caught herpes at one of your festivals, so that just shows you. Bunch of dirty fucking inbred hippies.



/TAINTLICK

[regretfullySaid]

Cool. So I guess what you mean is that your association of a festival is not a corporate music festival, but one where it's more practical to camp anyway because of the location and events. Maybe even The Gathering of the Juggalos.

I just have an issue with fake-hippies is all.

[TomViolenz]

Cool. So I guess what you mean is that your association of a festival is not a corporate music festival, but one where it's more practical to camp anyway because of the location and events. Maybe even The Gathering of the Juggalos.

exactly

I just have an issue with fake-hippies is all.

No fake hippy sightings at these places!

I don't think the people going to these festivals see themselves as hippies.
The alternative clothing/lifestyle is still pretty common in Berlin. It's like its "thing" in a way. So the pictures might have thrown you off. But they don't consider themselves to be in the same scene. As such the festivals are often not scene gatherings at all (except where a music style would be dominant, like at the Goa festivals).
I do admit that the festival I linked to is one of the more alternative and smaller festivals though.
This is a much bigger (and more expensive!) one for instance: (in english)
http://archiv.fusion-festival.de/2013/e ... index.html

And this is a good, but expensive Minimal festival: http://www.pyonen.de/about.html
Check 'em out, maybe they change your impression

[TomViolenz]

I heard that Fifty Shades of Grey actually caught herpes at one of your festivals, so that just shows you. Bunch of dirty fucking inbred hippies.



/TAINTLICK

Again with the jealousy...tsk,ts...

And please tell me you are not that taintlick guy?

[beats me]

So basically your vision of “festival” depends on where you live and what the common ones are. At Coachella the festival takes place in a huge open field and the camping takes place on what otherwise would be a parking lot. There’s no “getting back to nature” about it. That’s what my vision of a large campout festival looks like, and I think we can agree, fuck that!