Midi program change

[kiff]

I know, I know,'
Some of the guns here want to move on, but there are thousands of us that just want our existing midi files to work as they did. I have occasion to use two or more "program changes" on the same midi channel, and live unfortunately only allows one.(Even then it is only at the begining). This is one of the major assets of "MIDI", being able to change presets from a sequencer, and it's crucial to my work to be able to decide where and when in that sequence the change or multiple changes will take place.
Please address this in the next update, and I'm sure Gigatron will be only too pleased to give you guys an individual BJ
It's great when you listen to us .. ....
Kiff

[Martyn]

I'd love to see this too, sometimes back in the old days i used make a cheapo wavestation by sequencing 16th patch changes on my old casio vz1, it never sounded much lke a wavestation but i liked it at the time.

The only thing you can do is split your midi file at points where the original changes were, it just gets a bit tiring if they happen to be on 16ths

I think the whole patch change issue really needs addressing, I thought that the new live clip thing would be the answer but it seems we still have no patch change facility on any of the Live instruments., it's a really strange thing to leave our of a program designed for live use imho.

[forge]

you just have to use a new clip - not that hard really - if you're in arrange just ctrl-E to split it then give the new one the new PC

[Martyn]

you just have to use a new clip - not that hard really - if you're in arrange just ctrl-E to split it then give the new one the new PC

What if you have a lot of midifiles with very complex program change info embedded all the way through the whole midifile? I'm aware that all you have to do is split this file into clips that start at the prog change points, but this can be useless if you have a prog change happening every bar or less, or if you want to use that as a single clip in the session view.

I know that's an excessive example, but midifiles containing program change info used to be a standard. It'd be REALLY welcome to be able to set more than one per clip, maybe to have program change turn up in the 'contoller' section of the clip envelopes, as it does in any other midi app.

As it stands, it's an absolute nut job importing midifiles containing lots of program change info..

[hambone1]

I have a separate MIDI track just for Arkaos program changes.

It's easier for me to manage patches like that. It also makes it easy to trigger a patch change with another MIDI clip or follow action, or with a live MIDI controller.

Another workaround is to send the MIDI file from Live through Plogue Bidule, which would translate the embedded patch change into a MIDI note or fixed CC value, then send that MIDI note or CC message right back into Live to trigger the patch change clip associated with that MIDI note or CC value.

Not pretty, but works. And once you've got it set up for one MIDI file, it will work for all of them. And it will rapid-fire change embedded patches just as fast as you want to send them.

[kiff]

you just have to use a new clip - not that hard really - if you're in arrange just ctrl-E to split it then give the new one the new PC

I have one PC at the beginning of the clip, and a different one at the end.
When you say split and create a new clip, how do you remove the first PC from the second clip?

very much a newbie at this
thank Kiff

[forge]

you just have to use a new clip - not that hard really - if you're in arrange just ctrl-E to split it then give the new one the new PC

I have one PC at the beginning of the clip, and a different one at the end.
When you say split and create a new clip, how do you remove the first PC from the second clip?

very much a newbie at this
thank Kiff

just split it slightly before the end of the clip where you want the change - I know it's a faff, but it's a workaround

in the midi clip properties there's a drop down menu for program change

you just change it there

[kineticUk]

I think it would be great to see the whole midi side of live improved cause ok you say theres various workarounds but its hassle we dont want. I would love to be able to use my hardware with my computer and control everything from inside live.
Quantization,automation,clip envelopes etc
At the moment I still use cubase SX for some of these things
I agree with you all on these issues and I hope ableton read these posts and recognise the difference some of the requested midi features would make to a great program.

[rekliner]

I agree - completely frustrating to miss functionality that even plain old MIDI files have...

Abletons: Would it really be hard to add an extra slot at the beginning or end of the envelopes dropdown list to accomodate program changes?! Just show it like the other envelopes - except keep it from automating through the other programs between 2 points...or maybe not...just allow it in as is for now and people will figure out they shouldn't have a slope on the program change automation! I suppose that would require you to update how you import MIDI files as well.

[coverdale76]

Another workaround is to send the MIDI file from Live through Plogue Bidule, which would translate the embedded patch change into a MIDI note or fixed CC value, then send that MIDI note or CC message right back into Live to trigger the patch change clip associated with that MIDI note or CC value.

Hi Hambone!

You're absolutely the power user both of Live! & ArKaos VJ. Really know a lot from your posts but far long way to run after you...