Bitwig is the Killa!?

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xzusa8ky
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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by xzusa8ky » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:29 pm

Eat This! :mrgreen:

They do their job over there really quick.........The same amount of bugs takes Ableton years to fix?! 8O

and the 1.0.5 is also there now! Fixed the PDC problem! One more step that Ableton never did fix in Live!?

Changes in Bitwig Studio 1.0.4

Released on 30.03.2014.

IMPROVED Show automated button in plug-in parameter list now also include modulated parameters
IMPROVED Keyboard input from VST-windows on windows is now redirected to the main application window
IMPROVED Improved the VST plugin parameter list, including a joker entry which follows the selection in the plug-in GUI
IMPROVED Added option to automatically show/hide VST-windows when switching tracks.
FIXED Engine crash when bouncing/rendering/exporting with buffersizes smaller than 256
FIXED When modulation mapping mode is active pressing the mouse-wheel on a knob acts as a click
FIXED Automation and time-info PDC doesn't work as expected
FIXED Camel Audio Alchemy doesn't remember its data directory
FIXED Convert pitch-bend setting doesn't update when adding/replacing the first instrument on a track
FIXED AHDSR envelope threshold of instant attack was lower than the minimum attack setting on the sampler
FIXED Crash when starting note drag and drop with an invalid selection.
FIXED Crash when editing onset time in inspector.
FIXED GUI glitches on Mac OS X.
FIXED Saving an existing project to a new directory doesn't copy over the plugin-states

Changes in Bitwig Studio 1.0.3

Released on 27.03.2014.

FIXED Crash when somehow managing to start an event drag and drop interaction without clicking on the event.
FIXED Dragging files from external application on windows causes threads to leak and eventual out of memory error
FIXED Crash sometimes when stopping overdubbed looped clip recording on arranger.
FIXED Pressing Esc when renaming a track still edits the track's name
FIXED Crash if delete a track that user is droppig a clip onto before the clip has finished loading
FIXED Crash when scanning some shell VST plugins.
FIXED Crash when reading SF2 files with a sample index which is out of range.
FIXED Some audio interfaces doesn't get detected
FIXED Crash when dragging pitch expression event with shift modifier.
FIXED Preview warp marker are sometimes shown at the wrong location.
FIXED Crash when making arranger time selection and then dragging from the automation lane instead of the clip header
FIXED Crash when tapping ctrl with nothing focused
FIXED Crash when showing a popup window on Linux if the window manager sent focus in or out notifications to the popup window
FIXED Crash when reversing audio that has not finished loading.
FIXED Crash when toggling solo for a drum pad in a drum machine that is in a slot of a container device
FIXED Audio engine crashed sometimes when deleting a VST plugin device with it's window open on Mac OSX

Changes in Bitwig Studio 1.0.2

Released on 25.03.2014.

FIXED Crash after dragging end of clip.
FIXED Crash when using knife tool.
FIXED Crash when adding a disk as a library location on windows

Changes in Bitwig Studio 1.0.1

Released on 24.03.2014.

NEW Better audio meters with optional K20 mode.
NEW Send note expressions to VSTs using GM2 spec (CA23 and SINGLE NOTE TUNING CHANGE, VST needs to canDo "receiveVstSysexEvent")
NEW Allow mixer as complimentary panel in the EDIT mode.
IMPROVED Show progress of audio export somewhere.
IMPROVED Delete button should work in audio editors time selection without necessity to cut audio event.
IMPROVED Better selection and mouse interactions in multisample editor.
IMPROVED Better tempo detection.
IMPROVED Dragging unlooped clip end should not turn on the loop on the clip until the mouse is released.
IMPROVED Preference for setting the default volume of new tracks (default -10dB).
IMPROVED Limit preview note playing when draggin notes to 0.5s.
IMPROVED Speed up tempo detection for long files.
IMPROVED Better onset detection.
FIXED Various improvements to editing raw audio events.
FIXED Clicking on a note in the layered track editor should make that note's track the cursor track in the layer list.
FIXED Dynamics default preset broken.
FIXED Don't analyze onsets for audio files unless they get time stretched
FIXED Tempo detection seems to be off by a factor of 2 for attached ogg file.
FIXED Automation is not saved in clips when dragged from arranger.
FIXED "Start transport on record" setting does not work if you use F9 to toggle record.
FIXED When cancelling a multi clip bounce in a single track you need to cancel each bounce separately.
FIXED Dragging nested device chain that does not have its own mixer crashes.
FIXED Fixed randomly occuring engine crash related to sample-streaming
FIXED Quintole and Septole Beat Grid Subdivisions are working as Straight and Triplet.
FIXED Changing color of a clip on clip launcher or arranger does not update the color for the loop region and cue markers in the clip contents detail editor
FIXED Export audio with clip launcher active exports the clip launcher not the arranger.
FIXED Files or folders with non-ascii characters doesn't show up in browser on mac at all.
FIXED Automation only works if visible on the gui when bouncing / exporting.
FIXED Bouncing a clip launcher clip that is currently playing results in clip continuing to play after the bounce, but it is silent.
FIXED Grid resolutions 1/1, 1/2 and 1/4 show the same 1/1 grid.
FIXED Undo behaves erratic for EQ5 changes.
FIXED Dragging a slot in mid/side split to other slot creates a layer device in the destination slot.
FIXED Audio recordings on clip launcher interfere with each other.
FIXED Tracks that are stopped in the clip launcher don't behave correctly after loading a document
FIXED Muting of sends form drum-machine solo is broken.
FIXED Browsing multi samples in the multi sampler GUI does not work.
FIXED Session recording should write flat track automation value for lanes that launcher clip has no automation in
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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by kb420 » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:32 pm

The only thing that list tells me is that if the beta test group were bigger, a lot of these bugs would have already been corrected.

For me, the FIRST thing they need to change is the GUI. It's hideous!!!
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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by xzusa8ky » Tue Apr 01, 2014 11:45 pm

kb420 wrote:The only thing that list tells me is that if the beta test group were bigger, a lot of these bugs would have already been corrected.

For me, the FIRST thing they need to change is the GUI. It's hideous!!!
I like the Bitwig GUI so much more than Live9! Live looks like an old Matrix software from "Back to the future"........ :lol:
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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by Angstrom » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:17 am

OK guys, so ...
if they release a 1.0.x version every three days then lemme just do some quick calculations here, um, a full point version every 30 days, so 300 days for the big numbers, so that's V1: Wednesday March 26th 2014 + 300 days

version 2.0 confirmed for = Tuesday January 15th 2015, just in time for winter NAMM


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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by xzusa8ky » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:21 am

Angstrom wrote:OK guys, so ...
if they release a 1.0.x version every three days then lemme just do some quick calculations here, um, a full point version every 30 days, so 300 days for the big numbers, so that's V1: Wednesday March 26th 2014 + 300 days

version 2.0 confirmed for = Tuesday January 15th 2015, just in time for winter NAMM


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You are talking about Live....Right! :mrgreen:
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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by ezelkow1 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 12:35 am

them churning out fixes doesnt really tell you anything about future progress, give it at least 6mo for all the initial fixes to die down. For all you know they could have had these change requests ready to go but wanted to start with a single working stable product who's bugs they were already aware of and get that out at release date. Then they could start pushing their changes through off of that stable branch. They were probably aware of alot of these before they launched

That being said it is also a brand new code base which can help but it is also missing a ton of features that other hosts have, so alot of these early bugs are also going to be alot easier to pick off as their code is still in a much more flexible state at this point. Once they start piling in the features like a user accessible modular system and the like, thats when things will start to slow down alot

We had the same thing happen when we start on a brand new fresh code base. You push out a beta/alpha label and the fixes go fast and furious because everything is fresh in everyones mind plus many people already have a good idea of where some bugs already exist. Then when its in a stable state and you start to go back and add in features is when things slow down alot. Its a constant cycle like this

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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by Angstrom » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:21 am

I was of course joking about my time frame calculations.

perhaps I should have ended it with the words "Half Life 3 confirmed" to drive my idiotic point home.

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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by antarktika » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:33 am

nemoy wrote:
xzusa8ky wrote:...it looks "Killa".
...and we all know, nothing can beat that!
but will the "killa" looks translate to beat "phatness"?

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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by cstump » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:36 am

antarktika wrote:
nemoy wrote:
xzusa8ky wrote:...it looks "Killa".
...and we all know, nothing can beat that!
but will the "killa" looks translate to beat "phatness"?
Durn it...


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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by jestermgee » Wed Apr 02, 2014 1:44 am

I really love how MAX devices and Push work with Bitwig.. Wait, they don't? Could have sworn they did since Live and Wig are the exact same things!!!!

What's that... They are completely different DAWs. Ah well apples and oranges.

Let the pointless wars on the daws continue. As you were.

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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by xzusa8ky » Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:13 am

jestermgee wrote:I really love how MAX devices and Push work with Bitwig.. Wait, they don't? Could have sworn they did since Live and Wig are the exact same things!!!!

What's that... They are completely different DAWs. Ah well apples and oranges.

Let the pointless wars on the daws continue. As you were.
Thank god that Bitwig has no MAX. Take a look at the MAX site, its looks like the site was made by children? And the most of the free MAX devices are programmed by amateurs, and the few which are nice costs money and are mostly full with bugs, that take ages to fix, just like Live, thats not a cool concept if you ask me.

Push is an AKAI product and not an Ableton only product. If Ableton decided to make their own controllers you would still wait for it!. And if you want you can use your AKAI controller in Bitwig too.........

"Dont push me cos im close to the edge".............

:mrgreen:
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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by ezelkow1 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 2:14 am

Angstrom wrote:I was of course joking about my time frame calculations.

perhaps I should have ended it with the words "Half Life 3 confirmed" to drive my idiotic point home.
Of course, that wasnt meant for you, just at all the people proclaiming them as wonderful devs because they are churning out bugfixes nonstop

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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by eyeknow » Wed Apr 02, 2014 3:48 am

Obama just declared that we need a bitwig option for everything. Option "d" is now always "bitwig"

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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by moscom_musik » Wed Apr 02, 2014 7:52 am

At least a funny thing: people who run Bitwig talk about it, people who run Live make music ;)

Joke, of course, no bashing!
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Re: Bitwig is the Killa!

Post by kb420 » Wed Apr 02, 2014 9:02 am

xzusa8ky wrote:
kb420 wrote:The only thing that list tells me is that if the beta test group were bigger, a lot of these bugs would have already been corrected.

For me, the FIRST thing they need to change is the GUI. It's hideous!!!
I like the Bitwig GUI so much more than Live9! Live looks like an old Matrix software from "Back to the future"........ :lol:
This is the ugliest UI I have ever seen!!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZujqqPbDD68#t=324
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