The Great BitWig Migration

[tedlogan]

I hope they do really well. I'm not interested in Bitwig, but I am in Live. If Bitwig fix their bugs (which they probably will over time) and build on their initial release, it could eventually rival Live. Then we have proper competition, which is good for all of us consumers.

I also find it sadly not so strange that some people try and tear apart a new DAW just because it is not the DAW they are used to and expect it to be a monumental phase shift. This brand loyalty is understandable, but also weird and unhealthy, and like jocks on a football team throwing beer cans at the newcomer student.

ok, I'm quite loyal to u-he's stuff by now, but they're just better than any other company.

[fishmonkey]

i hope Bitwig survive but i think they have greatly underestimated the amount of blood sweat and tears required to build a Live-like DAW from scratch...

I don't agree. This is one thing I think they do understand. The principle partners have been developing in this market for quite some time.

With that said I think their offering is a bit premature. I think they should have made the first appearances this year and spent some time smoothing a few basic things out before release. And it would have possibly been ready late summer.

i think you are contradicting yourself. their release date kept shifting into the future, they were in beta for 2 years, and then released what is essentially a beta version anyway.

being a developer is very different to running the whole show, with timelines, marketing, documentation, support, etc...

[UncleAge]

i hope Bitwig survive but i think they have greatly underestimated the amount of blood sweat and tears required to build a Live-like DAW from scratch...

I don't agree. This is one thing I think they do understand. The principle partners have been developing in this market for quite some time.

With that said I think their offering is a bit premature. I think they should have made the first appearances this year and spent some time smoothing a few basic things out before release. And it would have possibly been ready late summer.

i think you are contradicting yourself. their release date kept shifting into the future, they were in beta for 2 years, and then released what is essentially a beta version anyway.

being a developer is very different to running the whole show, with timelines, marketing, documentation, support, etc...

No, not a contradiction. I was commenting on the blood sweat and tears part of the quote. I think they understand the hard work part of it. I think they understand the constant critique from would be customers. And I think (there's no way for me to know) they knew it would be a long haul. I think reality hit when investors wanted to see results. And I'm not all together sure they are business savvy. They fumbled a few things on the way to this point that they shouldn't have had problems with. Of course this is just an opinion...

[UncleAge]

being a developer is very different to running the whole show, with timelines, marketing, documentation, support, etc...

I agree.

[kb420]

I haven't tried the demo yet, but after watching this video, I think that Bitwig Studio is BUTT UGLY!!! Smdh........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZujqqPbDD68#t=324

Other DAWs:

"Good afternoon sir. Will we be writing some music today?"




Bitwig:

SUP, BRO?!?!?


BUTT UGLY!!!!!

[Musicesque]

It's not always what you have, but how you use it.

Lots of great sounding music has been made with *many* different DAWs, including Ableton, and the same will probably be true of BitWig.

What really makes one DAW better than another is less about the app, and more about the user's skill level and preference.

[eyeknow]

It's not always what you have, but how you use it.

Lots of great sounding music has been made with *many* different DAWs, including Ableton, and the same will probably be true of BitWig.

What really makes one DAW better than another is less about the app, and more about the user's skill level and preference.

But you need bitwig to do the really FAT beats!

[auto-lock]

I like the polysynth and the LFO mod and STEP mod. Most of the rest doesn't work properly. but i think maybe in a few years it might be ok. i hate programs in Java. they seem slow, is it just me?

but it is still v1 so maybe it will grow into something nice.

[Machinesworking]

but it is still v1 so maybe it will grow into something nice.

That's my take on it. Live was really very oriented towards DJs when it first came out, and although I liked it, I couldn't justify buying it for years until v3. When v4 hit and it got AU/VST instruments I was sold.

With that in mind Bitiwig has about 4 years to become something great.

I'm actually trying to think of a v1 DAW that was great? maybe Emagic Notator? but they changed it so drastically that a lot of people jumped ship when it became Logic.

Also am I the only one that keeps typing Bitiwig?

[eyeknow]

No, bitwig itself is FIRMLY implanted

I didn't actually get my first copy of live until 4 either. Loved 5, kinda hated 6 (and sold it) and got back into it about 18 mos ago when they went x64. Computers are powerful enough from that time to compensate for anything ill in the cpu use (live 6 used to FREAK OUT with anything over 50% cpu )

[lowshelf]

i hate programs in Java. they seem slow, is it just me?

Their UI layer is Java based. From what I saw and read it's not exactly optimized. There is a metric ton of tuning and optimizations they can do to get it ultra-performant and resource friendly. So, it's only going to get better. Your sentiment is pretty much valid, but if you're going to ask it, then you should also ask why so many other, native apps are equally bloaty and sluggish, even though they're running on madspec™ supercomputers.

[Buleriachk]

http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/tech/ ... e-597761/1

[re:dream]

http://www.musicradar.com/us/news/tech/ ... e-597761/1

A good and even handed review - thanks

[designx]

Sometimes I wear a pair of trainers and sometimes I wear a pair of black shoes and on days of severe rain I get out the new boots.

I love all the above and choosing either, or, depends on the weather and the mood I feel on the day

I love Ableton
I love Cubase
I love Logic

I might just fall in love with Bitwig

Just like my shoes none are perfect "depending on the circumstances"

Each of the above took from the other some cool ideas and added their own fairy dust

Let the new kid on the block grow and give it some space

We take a little from others when we compose music, nothing is fully original only bits

Or we might as well sit around the piano and take turns to sing a tune.

[mholloway]

The UI is really sluggish. Knobs always move slightly slower than you expect them to. Moving nodes in the EQ5 is so slow it's painful.

I like the apologist dude who says these things don't matter "because they can be optimized in the future." Cool story... but as long as it's implemented that way, it matters.