Approaching people because of the song they’re blasting

[TomViolenz]

My religion thread had a good long run considering and had pretty much lost steam by the time it was deleted anyway. I didn’t post it to push Ableton’s buttons and don’t plan to make it a habit. I got a warning PM but they didn’t get all up in my grill about it. All good.

Interesting, so they did send a warning. Was that shortly after you had made it (and they let it linger for a while regardless) or was that directly when they deleted it?

[regretfullySaid]

but Live is just not the kind of product that brings a strong female following with it. that's not by design.

Not to argue that women are actually a majority of Live users but the forum shouldn't reflect the general Live user base anyway, except for people who come to ask questions. Not that you don't know this.

I bet Live is the DAW with the most female users though. That's a no-brainer though, seeing as how it has to be in the top 3 most populars daws for non-studio owners.

[TomViolenz]

^ the last time i saw it... that was a pretty good thread.

i'm with shadx... and i think [stm] is with us (although he can't say that because grey areas are hard to define)... we just need to keep it reasonable and somewhat objective... even with our sarcasm and the fucked up sense of humor that some of us DEFINITELY have.

@ Tom - i hope you know i'm just joking with ya about the sausage-fest comment. i'm sure it would be cool if we had more women's opinions, but Live is just not the kind of product that brings a strong female following with it. that's not by design. it's just the way it is. the same could be said about Fender guitars.


back on topic:
when i was still a part of something that was generating completed songs, one of the best compliments we ever got on one of them was this girl who said "wow, that's really cool. if i was bumping that on my stereo at a red light with the windows down, i would totally not even turn the volume down"

that really painted a vivid picture i could relate to and it felt good to get that as a compliment.

I was just not sure if I used the language correctly or if there was something lost in translation.
I think my English is pretty good, but it's still just my second language, so mistakes and confusions can happen.

(I wonder if that is also the reason why no one seems to understand when I'm joking and when I'm not. Everyone seems to always assume that I'm dead serious ALL of the time)

And yeah it's not surprising that there are no women on the Live forums. In a way that makes it more relaxing, no one minds the sweat pants and burping that way

[regretfullySaid]

sweat pants?

[beats me]

My religion thread had a good long run considering and had pretty much lost steam by the time it was deleted anyway. I didn’t post it to push Ableton’s buttons and don’t plan to make it a habit. I got a warning PM but they didn’t get all up in my grill about it. All good.

Interesting, so they did send a warning. Was that shortly after you had made it (and they let it linger for a while regardless) or was that directly when they deleted it?

I noticed the thread was gone and then I logged in and sure enough, PM. Understood, and no biggie.

I will say this though. They are a bit hypersensitive about females from over the top misogyny to less offensive stereotyping. You all remember my misogyny laced posts? Me neither, but I’ve been warned several times. I too would welcome a discussion or viewpoint on this type thing from the other side of the table but that has never happened on here and probably never will.

[regretfullySaid]

There will be a day when a woman as depraved as us will become a regular, and I probably won't be alive to see it.
Otoh, seeing how differently men act when they know a woman is on board means there may be some around and you just don't know it.
God forbid some of us should not be uncomfortable wearing sweatpants and burping because a woman is around, as we all know women hate sweatpants and are incapable of making funny noises with their bodies.
Some would say they even pee and poo too; preposterous! And thank god for the stork, amIrite?

Dang Beats, I would've thought if you did make misogynistic posts, they'd be in a satirical context. Or maybe they were and it didn't matter.
That said, have you noticed any women being more stern or cautious since you know what happened a couple weeks ago?

[TomViolenz]

My religion thread had a good long run considering and had pretty much lost steam by the time it was deleted anyway. I didn’t post it to push Ableton’s buttons and don’t plan to make it a habit. I got a warning PM but they didn’t get all up in my grill about it. All good.

Interesting, so they did send a warning. Was that shortly after you had made it (and they let it linger for a while regardless) or was that directly when they deleted it?

I noticed the thread was gone and then I logged in and sure enough, PM. Understood, and no biggie.

I will say this though. They are a bit hypersensitive about females from over the top misogyny to less offensive stereotyping. You all remember my misogyny laced posts? Me neither, but I’ve been warned several times. I too would welcome a discussion or viewpoint on this type thing from the other side of the table but that has never happened on here and probably never will.

Oh be careful to wish for this, these kind of views can be quite harsh.
As you all know, I come rather from the left and many feminists feel themeselves to be left wing as well, so I had plenty of opportunity.....
Let's say it feels rather unreasonable at times....

(I classify it as a sort of paranoia in the more extreme cases, they see male agression/oppression in just about anything.)

[beats me]

Really the result for me is I just don’t make any general statements about women that could be looked at as negative in any way whatsoever. (I think, warning free on that for many months now). Seems to be one of those topics where there’s no such thing as dialing it back.

If you’re a male and want to see how women might perceive most of the male heavy internet go find a dating site that allows comments and read the many misandry venom filled statements from women. Wow, just wow.

[regretfullySaid]

I learned in my twenties that if a woman hasn't figured out men by their teens, then they're probably going to have a rough time having a healthy relationship.

And if a male needs to be right and have the final word all the time, then they will be divorced and/or single as long as they need to keep that.

[TomViolenz]

Really the result for me is I just don’t make any general statements about women that could be looked at as negative in any way whatsoever. (I think, warning free on that for many months now). Seems to be one of those topics where there’s no such thing as dialing it back.

If you’re a male and want to see how women might perceive most of the male heavy internet go find a dating site that allows comments and read the many misandry venom filled statements from women. Wow, just wow.

But also there: careful! It's the same with anything on the internet, the angry ones speak out, while the happy ones are busy being happy. So it's a slanted view. And I have met plenty of women who roll their eyes at these kind of extremes as well.

[TomViolenz]

I learned in my twenties that if a woman hasn't figured out men by their teens, then they're probably going to have a rough time having a healthy relationship.

W E L L, teen males are selfish bastards, so I hope they re-eveluate what they learned abou men again at a later point in life.

[regretfullySaid]

I said men, though. That means not being only subject teen males.
Also I'm speaking in context of a healthy upbringing.
A girl who is not sheltered and comes across a variety of people in a variety of ages shouldn't find much to figure out. So it must take a certain amount of unfortunate happenings in life to not have the kinds of (healthy) experiences with the opposite sex to not understand how most of us (non-seriously-damaged) males operate and end up with a skewed perception, much like misogynists do with women. That said, I acknowledge the influence a non-healthy society/culture has in enabling the skewed perception.

Of course dating sites are filled with people with that kind of attitude. That's why they're on there.

And not all teen males are selfish bastards.

There's too much generalization all around.

Like attracts like. Healthy draws healthy to each other and vice-versa. It takes significant events to get out of one cycle and into the other. There's a reason you don't see crips playing bocce ball with the glee club. Fucked up people are going to think everyone is fucked up because that's all they know. The thing is is that healthy people are more likely to be able to see things from a birds-eye view and detect whether someone else is skewed or not. It's usually not the case the other way around.

I'm just sayin' yes, kids can be evil, but they don't all fuck each other over and cause permanent damage. Guys are wired simply so unless some fucked up guy fucked a girl up, she should have us figured out early on.

If an adult is afraid of dogs, then they had a bad experience with a fucked up dog. Otherwise, most people know how dogs work and are unafraid of them because they're dogs. Unless they're fucked up dogs. A healthy person knows when a dog is fucked up. A person fucked up from a dog may not know that a fucked up dog is fucked up. They can also conclude that all fucked up dogs are normal. Normal dogs will scare the shit out of them even though they're harmless beause they've never experienced a harmless dog before. They won't be sure if the dog is genuinely nice or just acting nice until they lash out, which to them, may be normal. They'll also feel unworthy....ok this is getting salsa.

[TomViolenz]

It's friday night isn't it?! Beers have been drunk or spliffs have been lit, methinks

But IMO being a selfish bastard is part'n parcel of being a teenage boy (and girl for that matter).
The degree varies a lot, sure, but being careless with yourself and the emotions of others is just natures nest flight instinct playing its game.
There is also a lot of pain still to be suffered at this point in live, making one unaware of the consequences that are yet to follow.

[eyeknow]

I can't wait until night gets here. Get my drink ON!

But I'm not going to be blasting any music!

[TomViolenz]

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