Refugee camp babies

[TomViolenz]

And if people are living in conditions with hardships worse than mine then yes, having kids would be irresponsible and I'm free to judge ie have an opinion on that. The world is crowded enough and with misguided spirits enough as it is. Also as I said before there can be exceptions so regardless of my harmless ineffective opinion I acknowledge that a useful member of the planet can be born out of 'frowned-upon-given-the-circumstances' behavior.
So check yo-self, foo

Sure you can have and express that opinion, doesn't mean it's not high-horse hubris...

Edit: Also useful member of the planet?!
I take it you consider yourself one? Why?!

[cmcpress]

I’m not entirely disagreeing with you, but that’s some egotistical horseshit. If you are barely able to feed yourself then you shouldn’t bring even more people into the world to make that situation worse

It is pretty demented to have kids in that situation, agreed, but I'm not sure how much notice people's genes take of higher notions like "responsibility" or "egotism". I'm also kinda sure that in those circumstances, surrounded by a situation utterly beyond their control, whether they're paying much attention to luxury notions like responsibility. I'm pretty sure they're trains of thought would be along the lines of: "oh fuck! oh fuck! oh fuck! oh fuck!" (and not in a good way)

and then EXPECT A PITY PARTY when you do the exact thing you shouldn’t.

Wait, wait, you think they're having babies to get a pity party? wut? I don't think they expect anything other than, holy fuck won't somebody please get me out of this absolute nightmare.

Not to mention how demented it is to make even more babies in the likelihood that a high percentage of them are going to die at an early age.

It's perfectly logical. In areas of high infant mortality, if you want children that will survive into old age, then have lots of them, because some are bound to die young. It's harsh - but that's the way it's always been.

[cmcpress]

conscious decision that despite the low chances, 1 out of 10 babies could survive and end up growing up in a better place where they might have a better life and make life around them better. I still lean on the 'selfish and irresponsible' side of things...despite the chance the a survivor could end up being a doctor that saves the life of a future doctor etc etc. But hey, I haven't been in that situation, so I can only speak from speculation which doesn't make it fair, so... ay
just pull out, aight?

Conscious decisions are a luxury that only those who don't have to worry about stuff like the total eradication of all their family members have. For the rest of the planet, it's pretty much a genuine fight for survival.

[cmcpress]

"Out in the desert, dying of famine" - perhaps it would be good to become a little more acquainted with the reasons people might end up in refugee camps, and what they actually are for. In the case of Sudan, there are large numbers of displaced people, but it is mostly because of conflict, not famine. People have often been refugees for long periods of time, and I can see no earthly reason why they should not try to carry on with life as before. Also in Sudan, women in refugee camps are often exposed to the depredations of people from nearby settlements & rape is common.

Think before you judge. And educate yourself.

And think twice before you make judgements about the life choices of people suffering much more hardship and misfortune than yourself.

Basically, this.

[TomViolenz]

conscious decision that despite the low chances, 1 out of 10 babies could survive and end up growing up in a better place where they might have a better life and make life around them better. I still lean on the 'selfish and irresponsible' side of things...despite the chance the a survivor could end up being a doctor that saves the life of a future doctor etc etc. But hey, I haven't been in that situation, so I can only speak from speculation which doesn't make it fair, so... ay
just pull out, aight?

Conscious decisions are a luxury that only those who don't have to worry about stuff like the total eradication of all their family members have. For the rest of the planet, it's pretty much a genuine fight for survival.

Ha, conscious decisions....sure that's how we like to think of ourselves. Fucking up the climate, screwing over the rest of the world and use them for builing our toys for slave wages, overstuffing ourselves to obesity.....Yeah all concious decisions of an enlightened people

[re:dream]

And if people are living in conditions with hardships worse than mine then yes, having kids would be irresponsible and I'm free to judge ie have an opinion on that.

I don't know what your conditions are, but I am not sure how much you know about the conditions of life of poor and displaced persons, so whatever judgement you make might well be misplaced or uninformed.

First off, family planning is hard enough to do as it is. I think it is less likely under refugee camp conditions. Most men (inside or outside refugee camps) approach sex with little forethought as to the likely outcomes either in terms of STDs or pregnancy. And if life is short, and you might likely die tomorrow, you are likely to take even less forethought. As for women - most women in these conditions don't have a choice about whether not to have sex or not; don't have a choice on whether to terminate the pregnancy or not. So think twice about judging them.

Secondly, for many poor people, having kids a rational and sensible life choice even when conditions are tough. For example, in places without proper social policies, your only old age insurance is relatives and kids who will look after you as you looked after them. If your lifestyle is built on peasant farming, you are fucked if you don't have kids to help around the house and in the fields.

[skullneck]

Watched the latest episode of Vice on the refugee camp crisis in the Sudan region. Big pat on the back for the 10 minutes the world actually gave a shit about a decade ago. It mentioned many of the kids in the camps were born there and don’t know their homeland. So my question is why the fuck are people making more people in refugee camps? Many are malnourished, unhealthy, or even die. Then film crews run around and make aid infomercials for us to feel guilty. How about if you’re in a dire situation with no end in sight you don’t make babies. FFS.

Is your anger really about refugees getting laid while you are struggling to get some?

[regretfullySaid]

And if people are living in conditions with hardships worse than mine then yes, having kids would be irresponsible and I'm free to judge ie have an opinion on that. The world is crowded enough and with misguided spirits enough as it is. Also as I said before there can be exceptions so regardless of my harmless ineffective opinion I acknowledge that a useful member of the planet can be born out of 'frowned-upon-given-the-circumstances' behavior.
So check yo-self, foo

Sure you can have and express that opinion, doesn't mean it's not high-horse hubris...

Edit: Also useful member of the planet?!
I take it you consider yourself one? Why?!

Ok, it's not for me to decide, that is wrong for me to say. I was thinking of the majority of kids dying compared to the one that is able to grow up and live a life that is meaningful to them. Also, I'm not having kids, which is the issue.

And if people are living in conditions with hardships worse than mine then yes, having kids would be irresponsible and I'm free to judge ie have an opinion on that.

I don't know what your conditions are, but I am not sure how much you know about the conditions of life of poor and displaced persons, so whatever judgement you make might well be misplaced or uninformed.

First off, family planning is hard enough to do as it is. I think it is less likely under refugee camp conditions. Most men (inside or outside refugee camps) approach sex with little forethought as to the likely outcomes either in terms of STDs or pregnancy. And if life is short, and you might likely die tomorrow, you are likely to take even less forethought. As for women - most women in these conditions don't have a choice about whether not to have sex or not; don't have a choice on whether to terminate the pregnancy or not. So think twice about judging them.

Secondly, for many poor people, having kids a rational and sensible life choice even when conditions are tough. For example, in places without proper social policies, your only old age insurance is relatives and kids who will look after you as you looked after them. If your lifestyle is built on peasant farming, you are fucked if you don't have kids to help around the house and in the fields.

My judgements are misplaced and generalized, so I am being an ass. For example, I wasn't thinking of the kids of raped women, and also not specifically about refugee camps. I keep coming back to thinking about areas here when kids are made for trying to force another person into a relationship, getting more benefits from the government, or just being straight up careless, so my thinking is polluted. Thinking twice would have been more appropriate.

[TomViolenz]

Watched the latest episode of Vice on the refugee camp crisis in the Sudan region. Big pat on the back for the 10 minutes the world actually gave a shit about a decade ago. It mentioned many of the kids in the camps were born there and don’t know their homeland. So my question is why the fuck are people making more people in refugee camps? Many are malnourished, unhealthy, or even die. Then film crews run around and make aid infomercials for us to feel guilty. How about if you’re in a dire situation with no end in sight you don’t make babies. FFS.

Is your anger really about refugees getting laid while you are struggling to get some?

Did the next episode of Groundhogday already start?!

[yur2die4]

The first step is to judge a situation,
The next is to decide the rights of other people

The right to procreate? Whether they are in Sudan, the US, China. Whether they are rich or poor, mentally disabled or diabolically intelligent. Single mother, father, gay or straight couples. To have an offspring is a part of life, to hold a baby pile of genetic relation in your arms and experience the joy. Or to be one who is responsible for a next of kin.

I am not picky. I don't care either way if a mother chooses to have an abortion. But when a person has a child. It is one of the most fundamental things in life, and I wouldn't want to be the one to start telling people they didn't make the cut.

[beats me]

Is your anger really about refugees getting laid while you are struggling to get some?

Indirectly, yes. If I was getting laid then I would probably be too consumed by that personal drama to care about what people are doing reproductively elsewhere.

If just one couple in the western world gave birth to children in similar circumstances and one or more died it would make headline news and they would probably be in prison. But when it happens elsewhere on a grand scale it ranges from a biological imperative to a retirement plan.

And I’m the insensitive asshole for suggesting playing Russian roulette with another human life with 5 bullets in the chamber is outrageous.

[H20nly]

how do they have time to make babies is what i'm wondering. with all the iPads and Macbook Pros they use to keep their Facebook timelines and Twitter feeds up to date you would think it would consume all of their free time.

when you have everything else going for you, surely there's no time for love.

[regretfullySaid]

I hate to burst the topical bubble but after nearly thirty years someone has found a new glitch in the original Super Mario Bros. This is exactly what I mean when I say 'useful member of the planet'

http://kotaku.com/decades-later-someone ... 1591884544

Also, at least a particular frowned upon first-world country will use its citizens as guinea pigs with the new super-banana before making sure it's safe for places that really need it. That's something worth having little future retirement plans for.

[H20nly]

http://kotaku.com/decades-later-someone ... 1591884544

ironically, the poor bastard who found this AND managed to prove the theory on how to make it happen by re-creating the exact parameters, has less chance of getting laid than almost anyone in a refugee camp.

[beats me]

Can we please try to focus on adorable starving babies and why the world needs more of them.