Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by beats me » Wed Nov 26, 2014 2:07 pm

Machinesworking wrote:Mostly I think the media are irresponsible assholes. There are plenty of situations where cops have more than stepped over the line and there is ZERO controversy about it.

And the news spends most of its time covering the thugs thugging it up after the grand jury decision was announced, as was well predictable. They had their shoplifting and destruction map drawn out long before the announcement was even made. I’m surprised there wasn’t pre-game news coverage of exactly what their plan was.

Starving student (and am I am sure many others) think because this situation got a lot of news coverage we can use the opportunity to micro analyze and blanket fix the system across the country. These opportunities only present themselves when there are plenty of witnesses which is rare. When somebody gets shot by a cop at 3 AM with no witnesses then we just assume he probably had it coming.

Speaking of had it coming, if I had a kid and found out he had a toy gun that looked real I’d probably slap him silly which is far better than the potential result of anybody with a gun, cop or otherwise, thinking it is real.

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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by ohigetbywithalittlehelpfrommyfriends » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:27 pm

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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by beats me » Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:28 pm

Poor people withholding their money from the rich that are oppressing them. So that explains why the streets of the ghettos of the country are packed with Tesla cars. Take that big oil! :lol:

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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by re:dream » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:16 pm

I find this whole discussion a bit hard to fathom.

A black unarmed man is shot by a cop in a racially divided town.

Instead of testing the case against the man in court, the justice system decides to drop charges.

Thousands of people protest - and though there are instances of looting and violence, most of the protests are peaceful, .

Why do you want to lock your doors? Or leave planet earth? Am I missing something?

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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by starving student » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:23 pm

laugh if you want beats but 'poor people withholding money' is the only thing that has worked in this country, it wasn't the abolishment of slavery, and it wasn't the right to vote, racist have never cared about those things. the only thing that has ever hurt them is losing money, and they have tended to get their money from poor people. you don't actually think Rosa Parks made a difference did you, it was everybody who refused to drop a coin in the slot that did it.


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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by TomViolenz » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:48 pm

re:dream wrote: Or leave planet earth? Am I missing something?
Oh, I was just responding generally :lol:

Regarding the thread topic I agree with you.

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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by beats me » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:53 pm

starving student wrote:laugh if you want beats but 'poor people withholding money' is the only thing that has worked in this country, it wasn't the abolishment of slavery, and it wasn't the right to vote, racist have never cared about those things. the only thing that has ever hurt them is losing money, and they have tended to get their money from poor people. you don't actually think Rosa Parks made a difference did you, it was everybody who refused to drop a coin in the slot that did it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV_xZ9HW2v4

Exactly who are the poor supposed to withhold their pennies from?

But as the rich are decimating the middle class more and more white people are joining the poor. So if/when there is some kind of financial revolution the white liberals will gladly claim equal rights and tolerance for minorities to the change they ultimately brought about without minorities in mind. Then we can all hug it out.

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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by Machinesworking » Wed Nov 26, 2014 4:54 pm

re:dream wrote:I find this whole discussion a bit hard to fathom.

A black unarmed man is shot by a cop in a racially divided town.

Instead of testing the case against the man in court, the justice system decides to drop charges.

Thousands of people protest - and though there are instances of looting and violence, most of the protests are peaceful, .

Why do you want to lock your doors? Or leave planet earth? Am I missing something?
I think it's quite obvious that this black unarmed man had a physical altercation with the cop, the evidence is there for that, but there you go, by engaging you or anyone about this particular case we get to "choose sides" on what is very obviously a tragedy. Let's be realistic here though, it was broad daylight and it's very very unlikely that the cop shot him without provocation. At the very least he was resisting arrest. That alone makes this a tragedy, not at all at the level of the guy filling his tank at a gas station who reached for his ID and was shot, or the local Seattle native woodcarver who was shot within 5 seconds of the cop leaving his car, who had already folded his knife before the first shot was fired... Nope those incidences don't sell.

Instead we get a case where 'law and order' types can side with the cop, and 'freedom and human rights' types can side with the shoplifter. <--- This is why the media are scum, controversy sells, and dividing people along theses lines is why we have a false sense of outrage about what is a tragedy, whether the cop was justified or not. It's fake opinion because we don't know all the details, and we haven't asked.

Do you know what kind of drugs Brown was on if any?

Are you aware of evidence that his hand was in the cop vehicle when shot? <-- Think about that for a minute, if a cop as Brown's buddy says grabs your arm are you going to resist? Are you going to get into any kind of altercation?

I'm bringing this up because it's rendered somehow unimportant, but the facts are cops world wide are allowed to use deadly force and anyone thinking about their own health would not get into it with one. The evidence suggesting Brown did get into it with the cop makes this whole thing a tragedy, not a racially motivated slaying per say. That cops are more likely to shoot a minority is a different issue, and to me, the fact the media has made this tragedy the focus of that discussion blurs the discussion, which fuels outrage and all of us paying attention to the media = sales of advertising.

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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by ohigetbywithalittlehelpfrommyfriends » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:10 pm

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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by TomViolenz » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:17 pm

Machinesworking wrote: I'm bringing this up because it's rendered somehow unimportant, but the facts are cops world wide are allowed to use deadly force and anyone thinking about their own health would not get into it with one.
That's not a fact, and if it happens at all then in such limited circumstances that the situation is hardly comparable.

In the UK police on the beat doesn't even carry fire arms. And still, fewer Bobbies get killed per year, than American police men. By a wide margin!
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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by steko » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:19 pm

^ +1
Rahad Jackson wrote:My Awesome Mix Tape #6

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Re: Hope you have your doors locked/staying in for the night

Post by steko » Wed Nov 26, 2014 5:23 pm

Machinesworking wrote:I think it's quite obvious that this black unarmed man had a physical altercation with the cop, the evidence is there for that
Officer Darren Wilson's story is unbelievable. Literally. - Vox
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