Applying swing to notes created with step sequencer in Push

[MTG105]

Ok so let me say that I've searched high and low and cant find the answer to this. I'd like to apply swing to notes that I've created using the step sequencer using push. When I press quantize -> swing % -> then press the pad I want to apply the swing to, nothing happens. I can add swing just fine by playing notes in then quantizing with swing on. I can also apply swing by playing in notes with note repeat. Am I blind?

Thanks!

[kompletemail]

according to the vids they say push quantize button and hold it down then you get the swing amount on the LCD and then that is supposed to apply swing to already recorded material.

also I believe you can hold down that pad you want swing on in the drum rack and then turn the swing knob, but I would have to test that so don't quote me on that.

watch the yoututbe video "creating beats with Push" on the Abletoninc" Chan.

[MTG105]

Ok so I found the problem - I was trying to apply swing to notes on downbeats (like a clap or snare on the 2 and 4 for example) and couldn't hear anything changing no matter how much swing I applied. So I tried to apply swing to a 16th note repeated pattern of hihats or shakers, entered in via the step sequencer. I then applied swing using quantize, and voila it then it sounds like the swing is being applied! So at this point I'm really confused. I look at the window and can see that when I'm applying swing to notes, only the notes on the upbeats are moved around! Its crazy, try it if you don't believe me! The notes on the downbeats don't move at all! Am I doing something wrong? Does Ableton honestly think this is what swing is? WTF? This is not how swing is supposed to work or sound, at all. Please give this a shot and see if you can reproduce it guys...thanks

[kompletemail]

Ya your right thanks for pointing that out. It does work but it just sucks. They are probably trying to mimic the swing algorithms like and MPC or Lin drum where it just swings every other note or how ever they say. Every other 1/8 note or whatever.

My problem is with the quantize. How come it doesn't just quantize the single pad that you hold down and then push quantize like it is explained in the video.

[MTG105]

I'm pretty sure the MPC swing applies a groove across the whole pattern, not just the upbeats. The MPC grooves in the groove pool certainly do. This is totally wack, I sold Maschine for Push which is so far a huge step back in the swing department. They HAVE to fix this...preferably with the option to choose which groove that is assigned to the swing knob.

I agree with the quantize thing as well, the whole system is really unnecessarily clunky. You should just turn a knob with a pad selected to get swing, why do you have to even use quantize at all? That should be a separate function.

Im getting the feeling that Push was developed as an after thought and not as a ground up new addition to live. The code must be so old that there's only so much the Abes can do with it. Explains why PDC and a bunch of really obvious other things still haven't been fixed. Of course Push is still very young so maybe they're just waiting to add to it, the instrument step sequencer coming in 9.1 is certainly great.

Anyway Ableton PLEASE FIX THE SWING!!! As the Duke said 'If it don't swing it don't mean a thing!'

[kompletemail]

Ya it certainly does work better when you use the MPC swing from the groove pool so IDK

Here is the article I was thinking of..

You can always use the Abelton groove pool instead till Ableton get there stuff together about the swing and quant.

http://www.attackmagazine.com/features/ ... pc-timing/

[re:dream]

Ok so I found the problem - I was trying to apply swing to notes on downbeats (like a clap or snare on the 2 and 4 for example) and couldn't hear anything changing no matter how much swing I applied. So I tried to apply swing to a 16th note repeated pattern of hihats or shakers, entered in via the step sequencer. I then applied swing using quantize, and voila it then it sounds like the swing is being applied! So at this point I'm really confused. I look at the window and can see that when I'm applying swing to notes, only the notes on the upbeats are moved around! Its crazy, try it if you don't believe me! The notes on the downbeats don't move at all! Am I doing something wrong? Does Ableton honestly think this is what swing is? WTF? This is not how swing is supposed to work or sound, at all. Please give this a shot and see if you can reproduce it guys...thanks

No, you are wrong. That's exactly how swing is supposed to work. It is about changing the timing and emphasis of the upbeat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_music


You can set the swing quantization to decide at what resolution this principle should be applied.

[re:dream]

My problem is with the quantize. How come it doesn't just quantize the single pad that you hold down and then push quantize like it is explained in the video.

What you are wanting here is the nudge function, not quantize. Go to step sequencer, press and hold the note you want, and you can adjust velocity, note length... or nudge.

[re:dream]

Ya it certainly does work better when you use the MPC swing from the groove pool so IDK

Here is the article I was thinking of..

You can always use the Abelton groove pool instead till Ableton get there stuff together about the swing and quant.

http://www.attackmagazine.com/features/ ... pc-timing/

Correct.

At the moment Live has two competing approaches to applying swing: groove pool and the swing knob.

It is confusing and silly. They should choose one or the other.

What is nice about Groove Pool is that you can choose to commit (or not) to a particular groove. So you can change groove options globally. But I find the Groove Pool clumsy and difficult to use, and you don't have a global default groove that you can select.

Others' experiences may differ.

One of my feature wishes for the future of Live is a single approach to groove that allows you to dial in groove with a button (as in Push) but that allows you to commit/not commit to groove (Pool) and that allows you to set global groove amounts (pool).

[tstu102]

Am I crazy or is Push unable to automatically apply swing record quantization? When you have record quantization enabled, yes, it'll automatically quantize the notes you record, but NOT to the swing amount! Awful. And when you put stuff in the step sequencer, it will still quantize it un-swung. Unless you push the quantize button quickly AFTER both of these processes and incorporate that into your workflow??

The only way to get around this is to have premade, empty clips with groove settings applied?? Somebody please tell me I'm wrong here.

on an MPC, if you have a swing value selected, it will automatically apply that swing to the record quantization. In fact, on like every sequencer I've ever used.

And I'm assuming because Live itself does not have this functionality!! Edit - > record quantization -- > 16th note. Great, but where is the swing value like every other DAW..

For studio work, fine. I'll be fine nudging stuff instead of swing, but for performance that aint happening.

I hope I'm wrong here!