How do I sample a sound?

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Sebastian
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How do I sample a sound?

Post by Sebastian » Tue Jan 06, 2015 2:02 pm

Hello friends!



I have imported this song as an mp3 into Live and have isolated the very beginning keyboard part right up until the drums come in (I have put this in an audio track). My goal is to track that entire keyboard part so that I can play it live in a cover band. Im guessing I would play that track from an iPad, computer or phone going into the PA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh_S8EJnRv0


If link doesnt show here pls look up on You Tube:" i didn't mean to turn you on extended dance mix" (by Robert Palmer)



I next want to extract the exact sound and use it to pencil in or play the part that happens in the chord change of the song (link above). If you scrub further down the song, there is a chord change which happens when the song title is sung "I Didnt Mean To Turn You On").

So far, all I have been able to come up with is slicing the audio track where the song bit to a new midi track (transient slices). All it does is divide the keyboard into multiple slices (duh indeed). But what I really want is to create a scale of of that keyboard sound so that I can pencil write or play and record the part that happens in chord change. I havent figured out how to do this. Follow me?



Help! :)

Thanks!



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Re: How do I sample a sound?

Post by Garry Knight » Tue Jan 06, 2015 5:09 pm

Not sure I do follow. But it sounds to me as if you want to do this:

- create a new MIDI track with a Sampler (or Simpler) on it
- highlight the part of the audio track you want to use
- click and drag that part onto the sample area of the Sampler
- you can now play that sample with an attached MIDI keyboard

The second part is more complicated. To replace part of the existing audio track, you can simply copy and paste parts of the audio track to overlay another part. But it will overlay it completely and you won't hear the original.

Alternatively, you can create a new piece of MIDI on your Sampler track, move the 'play head' to the start of where you want to overlay, then record yourself playing the keyboard. This will then play back alongside the original.

It could take me another hour typing up the precise instructions here in this coffee bar. But if you understand what I've said so far, I think you'll find the relevant parts of the manual fairly easily.
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Re: How do I sample a sound?

Post by yur2die4 » Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:24 pm

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/conve ... o-to-midi/

Did you alreadh try the Convert Harmony to new MIDI track?

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Re: How do I sample a sound?

Post by Sebastian » Tue Jan 06, 2015 6:58 pm

hey kids!

I will try your suggestions.

Thank you!!!

S
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Re: How do I sample a sound?

Post by antarktika » Tue Jan 06, 2015 7:10 pm

yur2die4 wrote:https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/conve ... o-to-midi/

Did you alreadh try the Convert Harmony to new MIDI track?
I think they're talking about sampling audio though, unless I'm mistaken, it's a little unclear!

It sounds like they are looking for the actual sound, so that they can write in midi parts, not getting the midi chords from the track.

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Re: How do I sample a sound?

Post by Sebastian » Tue Jan 06, 2015 9:43 pm

Hey, yes, the sound I have is audio so Im trying to use that sound to write out more using that sound.
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Re: How do I sample a sound?

Post by faizybaig » Mon Jan 26, 2015 7:59 pm

Change your sound not suitable
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Re: How do I sample a sound?

Post by Sebastian » Sun Feb 22, 2015 10:38 pm

Clarification: what I want to do is sample the sound??. I know how to convert the track to MIDI. But the slices it makes are not all the notes on the keyboard. I only get slices of the track I just sliced to a a new track. Make sense?

Ideas?

Thanks
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Re: How do I sample a sound?

Post by yur2die4 » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:18 am

Probably be better off making it using Operator.

If you just want to sample the sound he uses, I'd take one of the bass notes, crop the clip so it is just one individual bass note. Then drag that into Sampler. Once in Sampler, adjust the root pitch so that when you hit C for instance, the sound will be in C. (Because the note you sample might be a different pitch originally)

Finally, and this is the fun part, turn on FM in Sampler and make it so that based on key modulation, the higher notes play the fm envelope more strongly. (The reason why it needs to be exactly in key is because the fm will sound very bad if it modulates something of a different key). Experiment with different overtime settings and shapes and envelopes with fm.

But really, I'd try to find an Operator patch that sounds similar and add reverb. The reverb in the recording will make it hard to sample that keyboard sound. And the dynamic of it is hard to sample because the high and low notes have distinct timbre intensities.

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Re: How do I sample a sound?

Post by Sebastian » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:14 am

awesome, thank you for that intel :)
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