Vocal help (autotune?)

Tommy_B · Post by **Tommy_B** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:04 am

Ewww. I totally believe you but ewww! I guess the fact that I cant sing, strongly dislike pop music, and have only used Autotune for that totally played "Cher effect" make me a bit biased on the whole pitch correction process.

majestic · Post by **majestic** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:55 am

Autotune is all around you right now, regardless of the style of music or delivery platform. Pop, dance, hip-hop, TV ads, film scores, it's ubiquitious. You're just not aware that you're hearing it because you're expecting the Cher effect. Try the demo and use it as a subtle production tool rather than an effects device, and you'll see it's power.

It's not all about tuning vocals either. Try tuning a reverb trail to an obscure scale. And don't forget that Melodyne is an amazing tool but it can also perfectly recreate the Cher effect. Hey, radiation can kill people and it can kill cancer.

trash · Post by **trash** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 7:54 am

The Offender wrote:spend the money on vocal lessons instead
pitch correcting is for posuers

hey mate
can we hear your vocals ?
you sure must be a good player from what i hear....
come on give us a listen brother!

lightman · Post by **lightman** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:49 am

er, just because something is widely used, dosent make it right, thats like saying we should get nuclear missiles becuase, 'everyone else has them'

autoune is just one of the things, thats killing talent in the industry, many of the greats did very well without autotune, and they didnt sing 100% technically perfect, perfection is not what music is about!
the industry survived without autotune before!

The Offender · Post by **The Offender** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:40 am

innerdreamrecords.com wrote:
Tommy_B wrote:I would personally never use Autotune (or any other pitch correction device) in an attempt to make me "sound better". If you cant sing...then you just cant sing.

Every pro engineer and producer I know uses pitch correction. If you're making tunes in the POP market you have to stay with the pack or be left behind, simple fact.

which is y it all sucks and sounds the same

The Offender · Post by **The Offender** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:45 am

trash wrote:
The Offender wrote:spend the money on vocal lessons instead
pitch correcting is for posuers
hey mate
can we hear your vocals ?
you sure must be a good player from what i hear....
come on give us a listen brother!

no, u r not worthy. especially if u beleive pitch correction has actually helped music in making. if u believe that, then i would truly hate to hear what u sound like. fake trendy bitch

u want pitch correction? correct it before it comes out of your mouth, thats how the masters did it

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 9:47 am

Today's marketable skill and talent in the music industry is in songwriting and marketing. Recording and performing are just little cogs in the marketing system.

Autotune is just another tool in the industry that makes it easier. Just like compressors, limiters, delays, EQs, microphones, Live, etc.

If you don't like it, don't use it.

It's that simple.

When Autocommerciallysuccessfulsongwriter and Autoglobalmarketer plug-ins show up, THEN I'd worry.

trash · Post by **trash** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:10 pm

The Offender wrote:
trash wrote:
The Offender wrote:spend the money on vocal lessons instead
pitch correcting is for posuers
hey mate
can we hear your vocals ?
you sure must be a good player from what i hear....
come on give us a listen brother!
no, u r not worthy. especially if u beleive pitch correction has actually helped music in making. if u believe that, then i would truly hate to hear what u sound like. fake trendy bitch

u want pitch correction? correct it before it comes out of your mouth, thats how the masters did it

actually i make mostly instrumental music but i have used singers before
im a sound engineer too , so ive *had* to use pitch correction before in the studio purely to save my own ears from the torture of some of the awful vocalists that turn up...
so thats scuppered your theory hasnt it you little fucking nazi twat.
anyway im even more keen to hear your (probably hilarious) vocals now you equate yourself with the masters... now who might they be????
are we talking as in the 70's? or earlier ? the masters ??
its great to get an insight into a nazi - lets hear it boy.

lightman · Post by **lightman** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:26 pm

hambone1 wrote:Today's marketable skill and talent in the music industry is in songwriting and marketing. Recording and performing are just little cogs in the marketing system.

which is why i dont like much of the new music thease days

hambone1 wrote:Today's marketable skill and talent in the music industry is in songwriting and marketing.

Ah, so where does that put alot of artists thease days who cant record, perform and have their songwriting and marketing done for them?

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:59 pm

lightman wrote:
hambone1 wrote:Today's marketable skill and talent in the music industry is in songwriting and marketing.
Ah, so where does that put alot of artists thease days who cant record, perform and have their songwriting and marketing done for them?

At the mercy of those who can, mate - it's not about *what* you know, it's about *who* you know.

innerdreamrecords.com · Post by **innerdreamrecords.com** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:14 pm

autoune is just one of the things, thats killing talent in the industry, many of the greats did very well without autotune, and they didnt sing 100% technically perfect, perfection is not what music is about!
the industry survived without autotune before!

Although you're right about great tunes and out of tune vocals times have changed and you either stay up or get left behind. There are always going to be exceptions and I can think of a few tracks that made it with pitchy vocals recently but if you really want to be in the game no matter what style of music you're making you have to be current. If I get a track that someone want's us to sign and the vocals are pitchy I won't release it, I'm not alone.

icedsushi · Post by **icedsushi** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:42 pm

Yeah well what ever happened to rejecting the track then? Why do you have to accept everything that lands on your doorstep? It's just more proof that the signing happens on image, not musicianship.

If someone serves me dogfood, I don't have to eat it. I can make my own dinner or if I don't want to make it, I can order gourmet take out!

innerdreamrecords.com · Post by **innerdreamrecords.com** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:51 pm

Yeah well what ever happened to rejecting the track then? Why do you have to accept everything that lands on your doorstep? It's just more proof that the signing happens on image, not musicianship.

Life sucks then you die. I'm afraid that the industry dictates the ground rules and if you want to play you need to know the rules - very few people are gifted enough and or talented enough to be a standout success and make their own rules. This is a business if you're looking to make a living from it, if not do your thing and maybe you'll still be successful inspite.

majestic · Post by **majestic** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:52 pm

Autotune and Melodyne are not just for processing vocals, they're useful for any kind of audio. As someone said, they're just tools like compressors, and when used properly, open up a huge number of new processing possibilities. And if you want, then just as they can tune, so they can detune too. It's all up to the operator.

Don't write them off if you haven't really spent some time exploring what they can do. These are the most creative audio manipulation tools available today (next to Live, of course).

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:23 pm

lightman wrote:

Ah, so where does that put alot of artists thease days who cant record, perform and have their songwriting and marketing done for them?[/quote]

Someone who can't record, perform, songwrite, or market isn't an artist. They may be media puppets manipulated by others, but artists they aren't.