This is what we've all been waiting for...

Living_Fiction · Post by **Living_Fiction** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 12:54 am

Keep it on topic...This was posted as a means of controlling Ableton Live! Why would I post a topic about weapons for? Who cares if they use it for weapons!? war has always been there, and it will continue to be there. Stop whining about it...Hell, while your at it...Cry about notebooks being used for war! They use notebook computers all the time. As well PDA's, GPS, etc...Face it, the Military will always use technology for their own evil needs.

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:11 am

Living_Fiction, sorry for contributing to the pollution of the origial subject. Bad habbit. I am not sure if such a controler will be cool. Looks more to me like a very interim step in evolution. I have not seen one single convincing performance with a dataglove and i would assume actually touching physical controls is the better way of working. This could change once you have direct physical feedback but then the audience should see the virtual objects one is touching also. And for working alone i see only one benefit over a nicely layouted hardware controler : flexibility.
Hmm, but this could indeed be a strong argument for it....

Robert

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:53 am

personally I would prefer some element of haptics involved , I really want to have big muscular muscles from moving heavy basslines around all day.

Diskclaimer · Post by **Diskclaimer** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 1:57 am

Robert Henke wrote:I *am* worried, this is why i am sitting here, waiting for the system administator to come and get my ports transparent........
So, instead of eating my finger nails I read the forum.

Robert

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the bartender there is very nice and she had very soothing words for My Girl and I when we had to miss the Live 5 release party cause the we found out the last train to CT left at Fng 9:00 (poor planning)

Go say Hi to her...ask her for a *june bug* I taught her how to make them last time I was there.

btw She was playing the most wonderful calypso music

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Pitch Black · Post by **Pitch Black** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:23 am

Angstrom wrote:personally I would prefer some element of haptics involved , I really want to have big muscular muscles from moving heavy basslines around all day.

My dream is to be "dribbling basketballs" of different weights for my kick drums. An 808 kick would require a different effort to bounce back to hand than say a 909.

MrSleep · Post by **MrSleep** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:52 am

Robert Henke. We need to be reminded, more frequent than ever before...

Thank You.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:38 am

Pitch Black wrote:
Angstrom wrote:personally I would prefer some element of haptics involved , I really want to have big muscular muscles from moving heavy basslines around all day.
My dream is to be "dribbling basketballs" of different weights for my kick drums. An 808 kick would require a different effort to bounce back to hand than say a 909.

I'm sure you nicked that idea from me Paddy! I've been going on about wanting to do that kind of thing for years now!

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:10 pm

Robert Henke wrote: Our instruments do at least partly exist because their technology has been developped for millitary reasons first. Our music may be used in a context which also is conneced to the more darker sides of human interaction.

OK I think maybe this may be the rare time that I come across like some sort of optimistic type, anyway........ I believe that human beings are geared towards invention and exploration of the universe around them. I don't think that people would stop inventing, or that technology would come to a halt if we for some reason, could not use it for warfare. So if the militaries urgent need for an advantage in the idiotic art of killing people quicker and terrifying nations into submission fuels new ways to control audio software, well, I personally don't think of it as a benefit of the military. More like the military tends to parasite onto new ideas and I patiently wait for the technology to get to a declassified consumer level.

Or simply, scientists are scientists, the military is not a science field, they merely are leeches on the backs of science in my mind.

I used to get wasted drunk to Black Flag, who were singing about how lame drunks were. You can't control your audience, but you can sue corporate entities that steal your art for their commercial ventures!

atomic · Post by **atomic** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:23 pm

[/quote] Or simply, scientists are scientists, the military is not a science field, they merely are leeches on the backs of science in my mind. [/quote]

I could not agree more.

supster · Post by **supster** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:46 pm

atomic wrote:

Or simply, scientists are scientists, the military is not a science field, they merely are leeches on the backs of science in my mind. [/quote]

I could not agree more.[/quote]

yes, i absolutely see this as the case, very well put

however science holds a responsibility to mankind and at least has the ethical obligation to consider the consequences of thier work

ie. the socially irresponsible pure scientist, working gleefully away in a lab on thier new discovery in childlike wonder, oblivious to the potential consequences is cliche

very well explored satircally in novels like Voneguts "Cats Cradle". this mentality does exists...

ok thats enough random philosophy on internet boards for one day, back to making tracks that will devastate manhattan with minimal collateral damage ...
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noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:04 pm

The Offender wrote:we can all thank hitler for giving us the nuemann microphones

you're welcome.

computo · Post by **computo** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 11:18 pm

Sorry, I think some of you misunderstand Roberts point.

Scientists are not just scientists anymore.

Most scientists come out of universities

Universities get funding and grants from the government and private corporations in exchange for patent-less work, done by student scientists.

The colleges get more funding for these type of projects than any other funding.

I used to go to Carnegie Mellon, and the marriage of military, government and university could not have been more apparent. The university received millions to build subbasements where classified work was carried out. Students were signed to confidentiality agreements, to work there.

And when they graduate, they're all guaranteed jobs.

Its much more engrained in our society than many would like to believe.

Heed the words of Eisenhower- Beware the Military Industrial Complex

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:50 am

Computo, nobody denied that the military funds science, or that it's a negative thing. I just don't personally think it's worth the anguish to be upset about. People have used technological advances since day one to kill each other, not much any of us can do to stop that in it's entirety, just slow it down a bit.

ocp · Post by **ocp** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:54 am

Here's something cheap and fun: http://www.archive.org/details/p5glove

It's Musolomo in Live