[Old, see new thread] Ubermap: Push VST param remapping

[Stromkraft]

Tom, Is there some way I can make Ubermap to use my edited file only for my synth? I have a problem with Reaktor>Razor that I built a fine map with, but as Ubermap keeps generating config files for that and other Reaktor soft synths, my edit is unused. I have 30 Reaktor config files in the Ubermap folder. Only my edit has Ignore = False in it. But it isn't shown even as it worked in the sessions where I made it.

It seems that there was an error in my edit. However, it's strange how that error crept up on me, as I test while a I go along. Anyway, moving the old edits to the new fresh extracted by UberMap seems to work except for the last lines. Perhaps there was an error of sorts on my part.

I especially enjoy how I can move parameters between banks and how I can name the banks themselves.

Some aspects with controlling Razor in my case are hard to work around, like how to name the same parameter that has different roles and therefore names in the GUI in different patches. I*d have to assume that patch-sensitive settings is a very hard nut to crack.

[Stromkraft]

Maybe this info is somewhere in the docs, but if so I missed it. I had great trouble getting edits to "stick" for Reaktor synths having new files generated all the time when I switched songs or even presets.

After I set "Cache = True" in my Device Config file my edit is reloaded also when I load my own presets or even another song. I'm not sure if UberMap will distinguish between different Reaktor Synths, but hoping for that. I'll update this later.

Obviously I also set "Ignore = False". Before I did that my edits wouldn't show at all. I couldn't find this info in the docs so sharing if someone else thought all that confusing.

Since I own AudioModder I did install that thinking I should use the same structure with putting the Reaktor synth in a rack with the INIT patch as preset and saving my own presets to the NI Instruments folder I got from AM. I also saved a copy of the ensemble, so not using the AM system for this setup. Will try later on AM presets, but I think I might be getting to few parameters with that.

What's the best way to share mappings you reckon? Where are your UberMap device mappings?

[GravityFlow]

Hi,
I'm a new user of Ubermap and it's absolutely amazing. Ubermap allows me to use PUSH the way I thought it should work from scratch. With Ubermap, PUSH and my MAC are my UberSYNTH. Huge Thanks for this to Tom!
I'm using it with Live 9.1.7

To give back, I will post my mappings in the Ubermap config file thread.

[Stromkraft]

I'm off UberMap for the time being in my main 9.1.7 installation as I had recurring crashes at just about any point of use. Removing UberMap stopped these. I'll try it in the beta instead.

As an alternative I make use of the custom name feature in Reaktor (main reason for UberMap for me). That won't give me bank names, but I really just want to be able to program sounds and finish tracks. I'll try the community mappings for the Llive stuff and see whether they're more stable.

Any suggestions for debugging UberMap issues in the beta? It does seem quite difficult as the errors behind the crashes I encountered are all over the place and not just directly related to UberMap functionality.

[tedlogan]

Damn. I was hoping it was just me experiencing difficulties with Ubermap (I last tried it with Live 9.1.4 Beta I think). It totally bricked my Push, even after reversing all Ubermap-related stuff. Probably due to testing it on the Beta, but I was and am still hesitant to try it again on any other Live version.

I'm not prepared to deal with more crashes, as my aging PC is already giving me enough trouble.

If Ubermap functionality gets implemented by Ableton, I'd happily jump back into mapping oft-used synth parameters and renaming them in banks for quick tweaking when playing/not building patches.

[Stromkraft]

It totally bricked my Push, even after reversing all Ubermap-related stuff. Probably due to testing it on the Beta, but I was and am still hesitant to try it again on any other Live version.

There's no need to reverse anything if you just keep the installer around.

[tedlogan]

It totally bricked my Push, even after reversing all Ubermap-related stuff. Probably due to testing it on the Beta, but I was and am still hesitant to try it again on any other Live version.

There's no need to reverse anything if you just keep the installer around.

I can't remember. At the time it listed the steps required to undo any changes Ubermap made. I had to try those of course as my Push was bricked - not working at all. So I had to reverse/undo it all to try and make Push operational again. I also reinstalled the Beta at the time, and it fixed nothing. Fortunately the normal Live version was still operating fine, and I've since stopped using the Beta completely as I cannot be bothered.

[tedlogan]

I posted this over at u-he's forum on KVR, figured some might find a use for it. The banks are not named as I do not have Ubermap anymore, but using the below guide to rename 16 banks should take little effort.

Here is an Ableton Live 9.1.7 Instrument Rack for Hive to use with the Push controller:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/nqgzxr

It's pretty much my standard instrument rack, except I usually have Satin in there, as well as a MIDI modwheel device by another user http://www.maxforlive.com/library/devic ... touchwheel, which'll cost you one Euro. No, I am in no way affiliated with Valiumdupeuple who made it. It's just essential for Push in my opinion - this device enables switching the touchstrip between Pitch and Modwheel functionality. Obviously I cannot include that in the rack.

The rack = Live's Pitch and Arpeggiator MIDI effects, Hive, EQ8 subrack (custom EQ rack for nice and quick EQing). Hive's parameters have been configured for how I tend to use it when not creating patches - this is merely to alter already existing patches. It is in no way faster than using a mouse, but I do find it fun, especially when I'm sick of carefully dialing in patches and just wanna mess about. The first bank's filter mappings are always useful though.

Top level/Bank1 = the two filters
Bank2 = Oscillator 1 + sub
Bank3 = Oscillator 2 + sub
Bank4 = AmpEnv1 and 2
Bank5 = ModEnv1 and 2
Bank6 = Filter 1 and 2's LFO and ModEnv depth modulators and switches
Bank7 = LFO1 and 2 and all 4 envelopes' trigger modes (surprised you cannot yet MIDI map/configure Hive's LFO shapes)
Bank8 = Synth Engine and all the FX's dry/wet amounts (no EQ, we have EQ8 for that)
Bank9 = Arp and Sequencer settings
Bank10 and 11 = Sequencer Transposition
Bank12 and 13 = Sequencer Velocity
Bank14 and 15 = Sequencer CC
Bank16 = random leftovers

It would have been AWESOME if Ableton allowed us to name banks for Push natively. Hopefully in the future.

Some may find these mappings odd, especially in the way certain banks are separated, but it works for me. Not all parameters have been included due to lack of space. I mainly use the Filter bank and the Transposition and Velocity banks - I find u-he's sequencers to be excellent springboards for melodic/rhythmic ideas and sketches.

[Stromkraft]

a MIDI modwheel device by another user http://www.maxforlive.com/library/devic ... touchwheel, which'll cost you one Euro. No, I am in no way affiliated with Valiumdupeuple who made it. It's just essential for Push in my opinion - this device enables switching the touchstrip between Pitch and Modwheel functionality.

The Push TouchWheel is 1€ or more and the proper link is http://www.maxforlive.com/library/devic ... touchwheel. I'm definitely getting it. Thanks, Ted!

[tedlogan]

Cheers for spotting that, I think the URL got messed up because of my copy/paste from KVR, where it links fine.

Yup, a measly one Euro, which I did type just after the URL.

[GravityFlow]

I'm off UberMap for the time being in my main 9.1.7 installation as I had recurring crashes at just about any point of use. Removing UberMap stopped these. I'll try it in the beta instead.

I'm still running Ubermap on Live 9.1.7 and haven't had any crashes related to it.

[Stromkraft]

I'm off UberMap for the time being in my main 9.1.7 installation as I had recurring crashes at just about any point of use. Removing UberMap stopped these. I'll try it in the beta instead.

I'm still running Ubermap on Live 9.1.7 and haven't had any crashes related to it.

It's possible it's just Native Instruments Reaktor that is involved in my case. But my crashes occurred unrelated to working on tracks with Reaktor on them.

On the other hand support said another unrelated issue concerning Live suite pack installation crashes was due to having certain turned-off Waves plug-ins in my default template. Indicating that in Live seemingly an issue in one part of the application can cause problems elsewhere in it. Which in my world is not a good sign.

[tom_d]

I'm off UberMap for the time being in my main 9.1.7 installation as I had recurring crashes at just about any point of use. Removing UberMap stopped these. I'll try it in the beta instead.

As an alternative I make use of the custom name feature in Reaktor (main reason for UberMap for me). That won't give me bank names, but I really just want to be able to program sounds and finish tracks. I'll try the community mappings for the Llive stuff and see whether they're more stable.

Any suggestions for debugging UberMap issues in the beta? It does seem quite difficult as the errors behind the crashes I encountered are all over the place and not just directly related to UberMap functionality.

Hey man, sorry to hear you had issues

It's been stable for me on 9.1.7 but I definitely wouldn't risk using my hacks on a machine you were using out live or anything as they are hacks at the end of the day. In an ideal world Ableton would provide better hooks for developers to add functionality without having to rely on flakey decompilation of the MIDI Remote Scripts, but sadly that's not the case.

I'm planning on getting the 9.2.1 beta and updating Ubermap for that, as I imagine some Push-related code will have changed so there could well be issues there.

Worst case scenario should be that you can re-install Live over the top, I can't imagine the script permanently damaging hardware although I would never make that promise just in case haha

[Stromkraft]

I'm planning on getting the 9.2.1 beta and updating Ubermap for that, as I imagine some Push-related code will have changed so there could well be issues there.

Worst case scenario should be that you can re-install Live over the top, I can't imagine the script permanently damaging hardware although I would never make that promise just in case haha

Sounds great Tom. it was still useful to see that parameter freedom is technically possible.
Yeah, I just reinstalled Live. I could have undone the scripts as I saved them next to the changed ones, but re-installation was faster as I still had the installer on my internal disk.

[fistikuffs]

I've installed Ubermap on 9.2.1b w7x64 and it seems to be fine so far. Created a few new configs and loads my old ones. Community mappings seem fine.