Question about Cracked Versions

[H20nly]

Bro Step and Trap didn’t exist before hacked software.

‘nough said.

/debate
/thread

[CanadianBassPunk]

Of course some people also just get tired of Ableton and other companies engineering their software in a manner that forces you to always upgrade. I have paid for many different versions of Ableton and use it very infrequently. Just about every time I want to use it I find I have to buy a new version of it because either my old key has too many unlocks or the version I have paid for does not run on my newest hardware. Since I upgrade my hardware every 18 months, between Apple and Ableton, I am forced to constantly pay for updates I don't want and new features I don't use.



7 paid licenses later....



I am done with Ableton unless they do something for customers like me

[Angstrom]

Uhm, when you run out of unlocks you send them a mail and they add a new unlock on your account. The limit is just to stop 1000000 concurrent instals on a serial

Seriously. Email = hi guys can I have an unlock, I got a new machine.
Wait a day or 3
Unlock added

[CanadianBassPunk]

Unlocking is a moot point now. The versions I own no longer run on my current machine.

[TomViolenz]

[stoersignal]

how often do you use live? every 5 years?

[BoddAH]

This whole “I can’t afford it” argument is complete bullshit. If you somehow managed to get a roof over your head, a room of your own to be a bedroom producer and a computer with electricity and all that crap, you CAN afford to spend 90 bucks for Ableton Live Intro. Period.
Hell, a fucking hobo on a busy street could probably beg enough to buy Live Intro in a couple good days and even Live Standard in a week.
And yes, Live 8 Intro is more than enough to start out and make some awesome music despite what the greybeards on kvraudio and gearslutz might tell you. If your sorry broke and entitled ass can’t be bothered to do some noise without Komplete 10 and Live 9 Suite you have other problems than a shortage of cash.

[stringtapper]

Unlocking is a moot point now. The versions I own no longer run on my current machine.

A moot point that you yourself just made two posts before.

Douche alert.

[CanadianBassPunk]

Yeah whatever. Douche alert? Really??? Your best answer for anything you don't understand or comprehend? Ouch! You pwned me there Guess my commenting days are done....

For anyone else who wants to discuss reasonable pricing and software delivery...

If I had to make a suggestion, it would be to create a new pricing scheme that works for more people. Packaged software in CD's is deprecated. The reason for most of this is that cloud based software is simply a better option. Packaged software ends up becoming deprecated due to no fault of the software developer when companies that control the low level libraries and operating systems change things. My version (7) of Ableton won't run on Mavericks as Apple has removed a core streaming library written in Objective C that the software depended on. This gives Apple an unfair marketing advantage to promote its' own Garage band and screw others like Ableton and there is nothing Ableton can do about it. Well almost nothing. Moving away from the model of software installed on CD's and migrating to cloud/ subscription based pricing is a much more elegant way to deliver the software to end users. If they don't do this, people like us get screwed and hit with upgrades that we don't always want.

It is true that there are newer features and if you want to upgrade for the features, be my guest. For myself, I have very simple use cases and find that the value presented by using Ableton no longer works. There are simply other options out there for me that are more reasonable.

I do and always have paid for software. What I suggested to Ableton was maybe it is a good time to consider a plan like Adobe's Creative Cloud, a subscription model that would get people like myself into a position whereby we have a viable option. I use Ableton about once every 4 - 5 months. It is about every 3rd to 4th time I go to use it I have to re-install it, re-authorize it or buy an entire new version. For me it is no longer considered a good option. So what are my options?

1. Crack the software
2. Use another product that has a better pricing option
3. Continue to pay far too much for the value I receive.

I am not saying this applies to everyone else. This applies to me. If Ableton were to implement a system whereby you pay for what you use, it would prevent a lot of others from using cracked versions too. The software industry itself has discovered that using subscription models with reasonable pricing schemes and cloud based software offers better software AND better value. The only BS is trying to still follow this old school model of selling software in CD's. Ableton needs to get with the times and use the subscription and cloud based software.

/cbp

[stringtapper]

Yeah whatever. Douche alert? Really??? Your best answer for anything you don't understand or comprehend?

I comprehend that you:

1. Made a point.

2. The point was refuted.

3. You responded to the refutation by saying that your own point was moot.

Do you comprehend what just happened there?

[CanadianBassPunk]

Yes I actually do comprehend statements I myself have stated less than 24 hours earlier. While alcohol and other substances sometimes interfere with this function, the specific statements in question are easily remembered.

If you would like to hear my version:

1. I made a point.
2. Someone else offered a solution to the point (Angstrom - thank you!)
3. I stated I knew this however it is a moot point since that version no longer works on my hardware. The advice is appreciated nonetheless although I did already know this having had to unlock several versions.
4. Despite the fact you were not addressed in this exchange or in any way included, you jumped in to warn others that I may be a "douche" for making statements that violate either logic or grammar perfection.

Does that sum it up?

If this worries you in any way, perhaps it might be best to just ignore my posts. I could just admit I am a douche but somehow I do not think that would stop you from pointing out other obvious flaws about my personality based on my posts since your only contribution to society seems to be to police posts in this forum and warn others about personality defects of those who have posted. Since I have many personality defects, including an incessant need to express myself publicly, this may be a very long thread. It might interest you to know that everybody else seems to understand that short electronic communications are rife with misunderstandings due to their brevity, absence of details and the loss of context surrounding the statements made after the fact. Transgressions made against grammar, the English language and other forms of politeness can often be simple in nature and easily forgiven if one can be brave enough to leave their keyboard alone.

In this case, the fact is you felt compelled to warn others that I may be a "douche" because I do not always make 100% perfect posts like you do. I am deeply ashamed of my behaviour and only wish that someday I can be perfect like you. Until then I apologize to all on this list.

/cbp

[stringtapper]

The Wall of Text absolves you of all wrongdoing, my son.

[TomViolenz]

In this case, the fact is you felt compelled to warn others that I may be a "douche"

no one needed Stringtapper to point that out, you left no doubt about that with your posts

Seriously complaining that his fucking hippster Mac is so new that it doesn't run his 5 year old software, but that the price for Live is too high.

And then on top of it all naming Adobe of ALL companies as the role model to follow.

Why not do what other people like you do?!
Steal the software and shut the fuck up with your whining

People, sigh.....

[re:dream]

Since I have many personality defects, including an incessant need to express myself publicly, this may be a very long thread.

Please, kind sirs, have mercy.

[login]

Cloud bases services doesnt work for everyone.

I have a suggestion for you instead: use windows. It doesnt break compatibility with software each year.

Apple is a path to stop being a reliable platform for some professionals tasks because it's upgrades breaks things on purpose so you go out and buy new hardware.