Question for Electric Guitarists

[Tarekith]

Awesome, thanks for taking the time to do that.

[EasyWorkflow]

Hehe, no I definitely don't work for and am not affiliated with Fishman in any way (paid full price for my TP). I think the main factor that can't be overcome with software is that there is a TP sensor for each string so it knows which string the sound is coming from and is therefore able to be much more accurate.

I decided to add Midi Guitar to my VST Folder again so I could give you a little comparison of both apps. One thing I want to say though is that I could have spent more time tweaking the Midi Guitar settings so that it would be as accurate as possible and I don't want to mis-represent the full capabilities of that VST, though there is something to be said for the fact that you don't have to do any tweaking on the TP (once you initially set the correct sensor height).

Midi Guitar settings for this test are in polyphonic mode with pitch bend enabled since TP always works that way. If your material doesn't require either of those you can disable it in Midi Guitar in order to improve the accuracy (again, I prefer the ease of not having to adjust anything with TP when changing styles).

I recorded the guitar parts in 1 take (sorry, it's sloppy as hell but definitely a real-world "live" example) and used the NI Scarbee Mark 1 from Kontakt as the VST instrument. TP has the option to run through their VST app which acts as a VST host, but I chose to do this test with direct Midi (TP Midi to DAW, directly to a Midi track with Kontakt loaded).

https://clyp.it/clcmksr2

Let me know if anybody wants to download my crappy audio file so you can put it in your DAW and adjust the midi guitar settings for better accuracy. Again, I don't want to mis-represent Midi Guitar's capabilities but, for me personally, TP is much more connected to what I'm trying to express on the guitar.

Edit: fixed clipping in audio file

Hey Man....you are one cool cat for helping everyone out. I was just watched a tripleplay video and it seems that their is definitely a better tracking that allows subtle semi tone bends and other very slight nuances that guitarists like myself use. Not sure if MIDI Guitar software tracks these type of nuances. check out video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdGnq2D1Nu0

Here is another video showing a guitarist demonstrating Tripleplay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmcmFrtxBU0 I am 100% sold.

Check out when he combines the simple chords from his audio pickups and layers MIDI sounds when he flips the switch to use both audio and tripleplay at 4:00 into video. Check out 2:40 seconds into video when he adds drum tracks using tripleplay. I understand why Lachrimae says it's light years above MIDI guitar software. Any guitarist like myself and Lachrimae who are serious about using their main instrument as a MIDI controller, could not live a happy life knowing these two technologies are available, as long as you have the money. Tripleplay pickup is $399 versus MIDI software which is $99. I need both. If you do not have funds for tripleplay, the $99 investment for MIDI Guitar may be the best $99 you have ever spent of software and get you into the world of MIDI guitar. I am buying both.

Here are all the videos from Tripleplay's website. http://www.fishman.com/videos/tripleplay/

And like Lachrimae, I am not affiliated with either company and do not make a penny sharing this with all the guitarists on this site. It's all about helping each other which Lachrimae demonstrated when he made a quick demo and also offered to allow a download of his "crappy" audio file which tells me is his also a humble man. I am interested in the download. Thanks to Lachrimae and Tarekith for taking the thread in a new direction in addition to all the great feedback from every poster explaining the different ways they record audio. I am grateful I mentioned option 6 in my original post and never expect the thread to add so much more great info.

This forum rocks because of the people.

I am truly grateful for finding this forum and thank everyone from bottom of my heart for the great feedback. I don't know how I would have ever gotten this excellent info without this forum.

To your massive musical abundance

BobbyD

[EasyWorkflow]

Hello Friend,

A lot has changes since my first post as I splurged and treated myself to a gift yesterday I purchased a 2014 PRS custom 24 semi-hollow body guitar only because I got an unbelievable deal on Ebay. Check out my new girlfriend who looks like she is a sister. Still need to give her a name like Monique or Latisha. The name "Sue"would never work

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-PRS-CUSTOM ... NA:US:3160

I just reread this entire thread which made me digress and start looking into MIDI guitar which I will still due at a later date. Right now is figuring out the best way to record her into Ableton. I notice a few people mentioned using the Blackstar HT5R 5-Watt 1×12 Combo Amp with Reverb and going direct. I was thinking of using the baby brother Blackstar HT1R 1×8 Series Combo Amp with Reverb which is 1 watt versus 5 watts and allow me to crank it up and get the saturated tube sound at a lower level. I am thinking a mic'd amp would give me the purest analog tube sound because you are capturing natural sound that speakers produce. They do have a direct out so you can still warm up the signal with a tube preamp and either go clean and than add Guitar Rig while recording so you can be inspired while playing but also have the luxury of changing the patch from Guitar Rig during mixing as you may find a better amp/cabinet modeling combo that sounds better than the sound that used to inspire you while playing.

For those of you who all went with the Blackstar HTR 5 1 x12 amp. why did you choose the larger amp? Does the diect out have a better tone. I could understand the 1 x12 cabinet sounding better, but I live in apt with my mom at the moment, so keeping sound to a minimum is my top priority. If the direct out sounds better, I would purchase the 5 watt versus 1 watt and use headphones when practicing.

Everyday I learn a little more about Ableton and I feel the need to post my story on a new thread so members get an understanding why it's truly a miracle that I am playing music again or even more of a miracle is the fact that I am even typing this response. Everyone will understand what I mean soon.

But for now, just trying to make sure I do not waste a penny and purchase any gear that will not suite my needs. Even though I am on a tight budget (don't let guitar purchase fool you) I still would rather pay and extra $100 for a small tube amp if the tone is noticeably better.

Thanks again for everyone who takes their valuable time to help out a newbie. I will pay-it-forward one day.

Blessings

Bob

PS....if anyone knows how I can quote multiple response from different posters from a thread, and be able to use one reply with all the different quotes, I would love to know how it's s done. Thanks!!!

[Mister Natural]

cheers Bob,
it really is an urban-myth that floats around about how a "tube amp" is the holy grail of electric guitar sound. There are prolly more than 100 ways to get a great sounding guitar tone into LIVE.
I'm reading that you might need to use headphones in order to get a big-sounding PaulReedSmith into LIVE. I want to recco that you don't take the path of least resistance called TUBES.
This is the 21st century - we guitarists need to embrace it.

Download the free vst "Boogex2" amp sim, run that into an audio strip in LIVE with a modest setting of Simple Delay and light reverb. You will probably want to come out of your studio there-after for only food and a washroom.

peace

[ImNotDedYet]

Hello Friend,

A lot has changes since my first post as I splurged and treated myself to a gift yesterday I purchased a 2014 PRS custom 24 semi-hollow body guitar only because I got an unbelievable deal on Ebay. Check out my new girlfriend who looks like she is a sister. Still need to give her a name like Monique or Latisha. The name "Sue"would never work

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2014-PRS-CUSTOM ... NA:US:3160

I just reread this entire thread which made me digress and start looking into MIDI guitar which I will still due at a later date. Right now is figuring out the best way to record her into Ableton. I notice a few people mentioned using the Blackstar HT5R 5-Watt 1×12 Combo Amp with Reverb and going direct. I was thinking of using the baby brother Blackstar HT1R 1×8 Series Combo Amp with Reverb which is 1 watt versus 5 watts and allow me to crank it up and get the saturated tube sound at a lower level. I am thinking a mic'd amp would give me the purest analog tube sound because you are capturing natural sound that speakers produce. They do have a direct out so you can still warm up the signal with a tube preamp and either go clean and than add Guitar Rig while recording so you can be inspired while playing but also have the luxury of changing the patch from Guitar Rig during mixing as you may find a better amp/cabinet modeling combo that sounds better than the sound that used to inspire you while playing.

For those of you who all went with the Blackstar HTR 5 1 x12 amp. why did you choose the larger amp? Does the diect out have a better tone. I could understand the 1 x12 cabinet sounding better, but I live in apt with my mom at the moment, so keeping sound to a minimum is my top priority. If the direct out sounds better, I would purchase the 5 watt versus 1 watt and use headphones when practicing.

Everyday I learn a little more about Ableton and I feel the need to post my story on a new thread so members get an understanding why it's truly a miracle that I am playing music again or even more of a miracle is the fact that I am even typing this response. Everyone will understand what I mean soon.

But for now, just trying to make sure I do not waste a penny and purchase any gear that will not suite my needs. Even though I am on a tight budget (don't let guitar purchase fool you) I still would rather pay and extra $100 for a small tube amp if the tone is noticeably better.

Thanks again for everyone who takes their valuable time to help out a newbie. I will pay-it-forward one day.

Blessings

Bob

PS....if anyone knows how I can quote multiple response from different posters from a thread, and be able to use one reply with all the different quotes, I would love to know how it's s done. Thanks!!!

I didn't compare the 5w to the 1w, so I can't speak to a cleaner tone out of the direct out. The 5w for me is small enough to fit into my room, can be quiet enough to not piss off the neighbors, but can go loud enough for me to potentially mic it in the future if I chose. However, as it is, I live on a very busy street with thin walls, so the odds of me attempting to record takes being mic'd and getting away with it other than at 3 or 4 in the morning are slim. But the tone for me is very nice - I run it clean most of the time since I'm actually running a Rhodes through it. At times I'll add a bit of the dirty channel, but not often. For the money, I think it's a really nice way to get a true tube amp sound into your rig and it's small enough where you can get that tone without having to crank it up.

[allanaceflyer]

the 1watt should suit your needs look at blackstar web site.
real valves do play great the sound changes as you back off the guitars volmue pot on the overdrive channel .
amp sims are great for trying different sounds and effects i use them to
i also use a variaxe great for trying different guitars sounds good but does not feel the same as playing a les paul.
the blackstar is a valve amp sounds like one plays like one as emulated out you can also plug phones in.