or the other way around....trash wrote:errr.. its not uncontrolled
america control it quite nicely...
These Crazy Conspiracy theorists...Rave to this
Quite interesting.
Those who post credible, factual arguments here can spell and don't need to resort to juvenile name-calling in an attempt to justify their opinions.
I, too, immediately discount any advice on any topic (Live and music included) to those who can't master the basics of human communication without resorting to crude dialog.
They find it easy to publicly demonstrating their insecurities when hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
Those who post credible, factual arguments here can spell and don't need to resort to juvenile name-calling in an attempt to justify their opinions.
I, too, immediately discount any advice on any topic (Live and music included) to those who can't master the basics of human communication without resorting to crude dialog.
They find it easy to publicly demonstrating their insecurities when hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
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Pitch Black
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Going OT here (heh why not, its a change from all the abuse) If you ever watch the movie Breaker Morant about those incidents, there is a great vocal sample of Edward Woodward shouting: "We caught them, and we shot them, UNDER RULE 303!" (he's refering to guns)MrYellow wrote: during the Bore War..... Then a British court-martial sentenced them to
death by firing squad for doing the kind of actions that are now a major
part of SF missions.
It'd make a great hook and title for a stonking acid track...
I dont really know if thats completely true...that is, political views dont necessarily mean much in reference to Live... Though the anonymity thing is quite a conundrum...hambone1 wrote:Quite interesting.
Those who post credible, factual arguments here can spell and don't need to resort to juvenile name-calling in an attempt to justify their opinions.
I, too, immediately discount any advice on any topic (Live and music included) to those who can't master the basics of human communication without resorting to crude dialog.
They find it easy to publicly demonstrating their insecurities when hiding behind the anonymity of the internet.
I've questioned my choice of using my stage name online, thats for sure...
Getting back to the "no relationship between Saddam and Bin Laden" we can start with this:
The 9/11 Report states that:
1. Richard Clark, former Clinton terrorism czar, testified that Iraq cooperated on chemical weapons with terrorists, including Al Qaeda, and he speculated to Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security advisor, that a large Iraqi presence at chemical facilities in Khartoum was "the direct result of the Iraq-al Qaeda agreement". Clarke added that VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the "exact formula used by Iraq."
2. Former Defense Secretary William Cohen testified that the Clinton administration believed that Osama bin Laden and Iraq collaborated on the construction of a nerve gas factory in the Sudan.
3. The Clinton Justice Department, in its indictment of OBL, said that AQ reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that AQ would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, AQ would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq. It's interesting that the 9/11 Report claimed no collaborative relationship between Iraq and AQ because that certainly sounds like collaboration to me.
4. Mamdouh Mahmud, an Iraqi, was the chief procurement Salim officer for AQ in Sudan and he was arrested in connection with the 1998 embassy bombings.
5. Several high ranking Iraqi officials met with AQ, and Saddam's intelligence service cut a check directly to Dr. Zawahiri, for $300,000. Zawahiri at that time merged his organization with OBL's. "The merger was de facto complete by February 1998," and Saddam suddenly ramped up his collaboration with AQ in March 1988, the Report continued.
The Congressional 9/11 Commission Investigative Report of 12/02 most certainly did mention that AQ terrorists trained at Salman Pak in Iraq, and also at two other locations within Iraq. The Report further detailed that Salman Pak was a bio-weapons development and production facility and that chemical and bio weapons were used on prisoners. The report specifically states that allegations continue that some of the 9/11 hijackers trained at Salman Pak. The Senate Intelligence Committee Report, which I also mentioned in my letter, was even more specific regarding both the relationship between the Iraqi regime and AQ and the activities at Salman Pak and the 747 plane which AQ used to train for future hijackings.
Perhaps what is not well known is that the two chairmen of the 9/11 Commission, a Republican and a Democrat, were so upset at how the media took the "no operational relationship" comment out of context that they took to the airwaves after release of the Report to correct the media reporting.
What the Chairmen said is that there is "no question in our minds that there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda" (7/22/04). They reminded viewers that the final report detailed numerous contacts between Iraq and AQ that went back over a decade and the relationship was enhanced in March 1998 when two AQ terrorists went to Iraq and met with Iraqi intelligence. In July that year, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan and met with Bin Laden.
Chairman Keene recently said that new information continues to come to light which supports the Report as it relates to the relationship between OBL and Iraq. There is enough information to support that allegation to fill several books, several of which used information directly from both the Senate Intelligence Committee Report and 9/11 Commission Report.
Ah, no connection at all...I see....stay tuned for more info on "able danger"...where we will see how the Clinton administration lawyers more or less allowed 9/11 to happen.
Have you heard of "able danger" trash or is your head too far up your "arse" to hear any facts?
The 9/11 Report states that:
1. Richard Clark, former Clinton terrorism czar, testified that Iraq cooperated on chemical weapons with terrorists, including Al Qaeda, and he speculated to Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security advisor, that a large Iraqi presence at chemical facilities in Khartoum was "the direct result of the Iraq-al Qaeda agreement". Clarke added that VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the "exact formula used by Iraq."
2. Former Defense Secretary William Cohen testified that the Clinton administration believed that Osama bin Laden and Iraq collaborated on the construction of a nerve gas factory in the Sudan.
3. The Clinton Justice Department, in its indictment of OBL, said that AQ reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that AQ would not work against that government and that on particular projects, specifically including weapons development, AQ would work cooperatively with the government of Iraq. It's interesting that the 9/11 Report claimed no collaborative relationship between Iraq and AQ because that certainly sounds like collaboration to me.
4. Mamdouh Mahmud, an Iraqi, was the chief procurement Salim officer for AQ in Sudan and he was arrested in connection with the 1998 embassy bombings.
5. Several high ranking Iraqi officials met with AQ, and Saddam's intelligence service cut a check directly to Dr. Zawahiri, for $300,000. Zawahiri at that time merged his organization with OBL's. "The merger was de facto complete by February 1998," and Saddam suddenly ramped up his collaboration with AQ in March 1988, the Report continued.
The Congressional 9/11 Commission Investigative Report of 12/02 most certainly did mention that AQ terrorists trained at Salman Pak in Iraq, and also at two other locations within Iraq. The Report further detailed that Salman Pak was a bio-weapons development and production facility and that chemical and bio weapons were used on prisoners. The report specifically states that allegations continue that some of the 9/11 hijackers trained at Salman Pak. The Senate Intelligence Committee Report, which I also mentioned in my letter, was even more specific regarding both the relationship between the Iraqi regime and AQ and the activities at Salman Pak and the 747 plane which AQ used to train for future hijackings.
Perhaps what is not well known is that the two chairmen of the 9/11 Commission, a Republican and a Democrat, were so upset at how the media took the "no operational relationship" comment out of context that they took to the airwaves after release of the Report to correct the media reporting.
What the Chairmen said is that there is "no question in our minds that there was a relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda" (7/22/04). They reminded viewers that the final report detailed numerous contacts between Iraq and AQ that went back over a decade and the relationship was enhanced in March 1998 when two AQ terrorists went to Iraq and met with Iraqi intelligence. In July that year, an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan and met with Bin Laden.
Chairman Keene recently said that new information continues to come to light which supports the Report as it relates to the relationship between OBL and Iraq. There is enough information to support that allegation to fill several books, several of which used information directly from both the Senate Intelligence Committee Report and 9/11 Commission Report.
Ah, no connection at all...I see....stay tuned for more info on "able danger"...where we will see how the Clinton administration lawyers more or less allowed 9/11 to happen.
Have you heard of "able danger" trash or is your head too far up your "arse" to hear any facts?
I am neither a jockey nor do I spin anything....
Oh, the same nerve gas factory that turned out to be producing aids vaccine? that Nerve gas factory?
As Usual, when the US government needs a bad guy, they bring up Bin Laden, and use him as a scapegoat to get away with ALL SORTS of stuff, like blowing up aids vaccine competitors, or going into Iraq.
Its fucking HILARIOUS that you use the 911 report as your evidence, the very report that left out COMPLETELY, the Able Danger squad, as well as key eye witness testimony. Gee, a commission set up to legitamize the administrations assertions of the connection between Iraq and AQ, finds that there is a connection. Thats like holding the Hen house door open for the Fox.
Maybe you should consider the validity of the Commission before using it as a justification or evidence. Before the commission met, there was scandal when Kissinger was named the chair. laughable. And so he was removed, but not before smearing the credibility of the commission all together. Throughout the proceedings the commission was bogged by contradictory testimony, and the outcry of victims families, who knew quite well that a whitewash was occuring.
Just reading the govt version of the series of events that morning is pathetically apologetic and forgiving, even providing cover for some of the most greivous preparatory events that allowed 911 to happen as you so foolishly put it.
Ever heard of the Norad standdown? Who ordered that? Do some research, one copy of the 911 commission report means SHIT.
As Usual, when the US government needs a bad guy, they bring up Bin Laden, and use him as a scapegoat to get away with ALL SORTS of stuff, like blowing up aids vaccine competitors, or going into Iraq.
Its fucking HILARIOUS that you use the 911 report as your evidence, the very report that left out COMPLETELY, the Able Danger squad, as well as key eye witness testimony. Gee, a commission set up to legitamize the administrations assertions of the connection between Iraq and AQ, finds that there is a connection. Thats like holding the Hen house door open for the Fox.
Maybe you should consider the validity of the Commission before using it as a justification or evidence. Before the commission met, there was scandal when Kissinger was named the chair. laughable. And so he was removed, but not before smearing the credibility of the commission all together. Throughout the proceedings the commission was bogged by contradictory testimony, and the outcry of victims families, who knew quite well that a whitewash was occuring.
Just reading the govt version of the series of events that morning is pathetically apologetic and forgiving, even providing cover for some of the most greivous preparatory events that allowed 911 to happen as you so foolishly put it.
Ever heard of the Norad standdown? Who ordered that? Do some research, one copy of the 911 commission report means SHIT.
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All the US officials (with axes to grind) in the world is not going to change the fact that Osama's a wahhabi nut who practically kills Shi'ites on sight whilst Saddam had Christians in his cabinet. You're basically suggesting that Hitler's collaborating with Sharon, and TBH I don't find your sources credible. Until 2001 and probably later, Robert fucking Fisk knew more about what Osama bin Laden was up to than the CIA did (who only recently started to have in-house Arabic translators... how the fuck's that work?!)
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The Offender
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those palestinian muzzie terrorists were cheering in the streets the day 911 happened. israel should just wipe them out, they r good for nothing. but its the same with all the muzzies in the mideast, they get off on our tragedies, they r enemies, i just dont understand y we haven't nuked the bastards yet.
at least if we restore israel to its original borders, then we wont have all the muzzie terrorists breeding there. and yes, they r all terrorists but not all of them know it.
at least if we restore israel to its original borders, then we wont have all the muzzie terrorists breeding there. and yes, they r all terrorists but not all of them know it.
agent 47 is a poor brainwashed fool...
dont believe the hype brother
im glad i got to you though heheh
and 'able danger'
no dont believe ive heard of it im afraid...
is that the danger we created going into iraq or some other danger?
sounds like some american government ideological warfare to me
able danger is that like the way the american government use the word 'defence' ?
is that like : how the americans were protecting or 'defending' south vietnam???
i mean these subjects are so tediously obvious its just stoopid..
i hear the sunnis are complaining about the so called 'constitution'
shame they cant agree about us splitting their country into little parts and milking them for control of their natural resources.
its so fucking obvious what would have happened that its just pointless continuing...
i could have told you all this would go on before we started...
but thats what capitalism or should i say "post-capitalism" and government is all about...
signing away all your rights every four years in a token ceremony so that the increasing corporatist tunnel vision / market segmentation many continue unhindered.
"Ultimately it really does come down to whether or not you think you
should earn more money by stepping on other people, or not.
Post-capitalist is a term for a capitalist society that has ceased to foster a free market economy and becomes, instead, an oligarchy protecting the interests of the few big companies stomping on the competitiveness of the little ones via unilateral legistlation and control over governments."
this from a friend but :
ultimately
this is all that could have happened ina free market...
anyway....
on another note..
any of you guys looked at 911 research.com ?
what do you yank biatches think of that...
i was reading it one night and then got spooked....
wow, how much of that is true ?
dont believe the hype brother
im glad i got to you though heheh
and 'able danger'
no dont believe ive heard of it im afraid...
is that the danger we created going into iraq or some other danger?
sounds like some american government ideological warfare to me
able danger is that like the way the american government use the word 'defence' ?
is that like : how the americans were protecting or 'defending' south vietnam???
i mean these subjects are so tediously obvious its just stoopid..
i hear the sunnis are complaining about the so called 'constitution'
shame they cant agree about us splitting their country into little parts and milking them for control of their natural resources.
its so fucking obvious what would have happened that its just pointless continuing...
i could have told you all this would go on before we started...
but thats what capitalism or should i say "post-capitalism" and government is all about...
signing away all your rights every four years in a token ceremony so that the increasing corporatist tunnel vision / market segmentation many continue unhindered.
"Ultimately it really does come down to whether or not you think you
should earn more money by stepping on other people, or not.
Post-capitalist is a term for a capitalist society that has ceased to foster a free market economy and becomes, instead, an oligarchy protecting the interests of the few big companies stomping on the competitiveness of the little ones via unilateral legistlation and control over governments."
this from a friend but :
ultimately
this is all that could have happened ina free market...
anyway....
on another note..
any of you guys looked at 911 research.com ?
what do you yank biatches think of that...
i was reading it one night and then got spooked....
wow, how much of that is true ?
lord praise the god of the petrol and lets get on with our luxuries and our lives and lets not give a shit about who we have to stomp over to continue our lush existence..The Offender wrote:those palestinian muzzie terrorists were cheering in the streets the day 911 happened. israel should just wipe them out, they r good for nothing. but its the same with all the muzzies in the mideast, they get off on our tragedies, they r enemies, i just dont understand y we haven't nuked the bastards yet.
at least if we restore israel to its original borders, then we wont have all the muzzie terrorists breeding there. and yes, they r all terrorists but not all of them know it.
mommy, are there really people like this ?
and are they older than 12 mommy ??
ohhh. shit.
the first thing i said when i saw the twin tower attack
(once id calmed down from going 'ho fuck!')
was: 'they had it coming'
i didnt cheer but to be blind to the facts is stupid.
and palestine has a fuck of a lot to do with it.
had america stepped in and used it HUGE influence over israel
(including but not limited to its HUGE financial aid given every year)
to force some kind of settlement
then that wouldnt have happened i think.
and yes, yes its a shame so many people died
but put into perspective compared to the state terror commited by USA and Britain either by action or inaction, its pales into insignificance.
wasnt it america who trained all those dudes anyway ?
(once id calmed down from going 'ho fuck!')
was: 'they had it coming'
i didnt cheer but to be blind to the facts is stupid.
and palestine has a fuck of a lot to do with it.
had america stepped in and used it HUGE influence over israel
(including but not limited to its HUGE financial aid given every year)
to force some kind of settlement
then that wouldnt have happened i think.
and yes, yes its a shame so many people died
but put into perspective compared to the state terror commited by USA and Britain either by action or inaction, its pales into insignificance.
wasnt it america who trained all those dudes anyway ?
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u would say that. did u say that with the london bombings too? what about madrid? bali? russian schoolchildren massacre? all the beheadings of civilian aid workers?trash wrote:the first thing i said when i saw the twin tower attack
(once id calmed down from going 'ho fuck!')
was: 'they had it coming'
the fact that u actually defend and support these people shows that u r the one that does not value human life. this fucking murderous cult calls itself a religion, and u support it. u r a threat to humanity. i just wish we could keep bush in office until he rids the world of this cultural disease called islam. islam is lame is pisslam.
red white and blue comin at ya bitch. don't fuck with america. viva la bush.
Hey Offender,
Who was dancing in the streets on 9/11?
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/200 ... y23625.asp
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm
you're new screenname should be "disinformer"
Who was dancing in the streets on 9/11?
http://archives.tcm.ie/breakingnews/200 ... y23625.asp
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0622-05.htm
you're new screenname should be "disinformer"
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Haselmeier
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Bullshit!The Offender wrote:u would say that. did u say that with the london bombings too? what about madrid? bali? russian schoolchildren massacre? all the beheadings of civilian aid workers?trash wrote:the first thing i said when i saw the twin tower attack
(once id calmed down from going 'ho fuck!')
was: 'they had it coming'
Most civilian killed by america!
That's a fact!