{OT} New Orleans Vs. Iraq
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ay the left wing red diaper doper babies cannot do anything but have a knee jerk blame reaction because they have to see anyone to the right of their agenda as a facist pig unworthy of being respected as intelligent life....it practices hate speech to the hilt and uses propagandistic unsubstantiated accusations and enormous overstatements to paint those who do not agree with them as human vermin.......obviously Katrina was a neo-con conspiracy, the red states are brainwashed, it was OK for Clinton to bomb the Serbs without UN authorization, and it is ok to blame Bush for whatever you can think of and make sure you do in an uncivil, uncouth, foul mouth manner. After civility and courtesy is a red state value.
Again, I am not blaming Bush for this, I am angry that the US Gov't for decades, as it always seems the US are putting more effort on abroad issues, which are not to me so important, as at home issues such as disaters, etc. I even think Iraq will only bring more terror and disaster back home in the near future..(this is anotehr old topic)
This is not something that was not seen coming ..Scientists, insurance companies, weather experts, even people living in that region knew one day it was bound to happen. This city is so under prepared it is incredible. A city that is already drowning below sea level, should think what do we do when things like this happens? Evacuation plans, emergency shelters should be more than just a Superdome. Houses and hospitals should have standards,etc. Its hows me this is just another poor American city suffering as the money is not going in the right areas..Billions of dollars on a stupid, un necessary war, only causing more deaths per day and anger towards America. I still want to know what Iraq did for America to invade?
Ok, I'm not here trying to bitch and point the finger..I am just sad to see all people floating on street rivers, homeless, running the streets, looting, crime etc, in a so called civilized nation??This is just a quick spotlight to show how many cities around America are going more and more down in terms of care and budget. Some big cities may shine, but smaller poorer cities are under nurished with aid and support.
Is this the America I once knew?
I am only trying to say that security and planning at home should be a #1 priority before going 5000+ miles away to deal with issues for me, are not so important nor worth fighting and loss of life that Iraq has created..
(don't even get me started on this!)
This is not something that was not seen coming ..Scientists, insurance companies, weather experts, even people living in that region knew one day it was bound to happen. This city is so under prepared it is incredible. A city that is already drowning below sea level, should think what do we do when things like this happens? Evacuation plans, emergency shelters should be more than just a Superdome. Houses and hospitals should have standards,etc. Its hows me this is just another poor American city suffering as the money is not going in the right areas..Billions of dollars on a stupid, un necessary war, only causing more deaths per day and anger towards America. I still want to know what Iraq did for America to invade?
Ok, I'm not here trying to bitch and point the finger..I am just sad to see all people floating on street rivers, homeless, running the streets, looting, crime etc, in a so called civilized nation??This is just a quick spotlight to show how many cities around America are going more and more down in terms of care and budget. Some big cities may shine, but smaller poorer cities are under nurished with aid and support.
Is this the America I once knew?
I am only trying to say that security and planning at home should be a #1 priority before going 5000+ miles away to deal with issues for me, are not so important nor worth fighting and loss of life that Iraq has created..
(don't even get me started on this!)
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Wow. I can't believe you actually found and read this. I can't believe I did either!?computo wrote:and finally,
At least we're placing blame in a reasonable direction...
the israelis-
http://www.jnewswire.com/library/articl ... icleid=676
the christians-
http://www.repentamerica.com/pr_hurricanekatrina.html
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I have to admit, thiis makes me want to be creative!
obviously this is a hugely unpopular stance, but those that don't think that Saddam needed to be removed post 9/11 don't fully understand the war on terror.
If you want the justifications for the war, read the unanimously passed resolution that went through congress. Its all there. That, plus the need to remove hostile states that could contribute to state sponsored terrorism as well as removing fascist (mind you, I'm using the term correctly in regards to the...) Baathist party leader who had no regard towards the security council resolutions and did not provide the proof of removing WMD's like he was legally obligated to do.... well, its all there.
W/ regard to the democratic process now being worked on in Iraq - this is a process, not an event. It is also the U.S.'s obligation to help institute a government and a stability to the country in liue of its former government being dismantled. It is important, actually critically important that we continue to be there to see this process through.
For those that want a better understanding of why the status quo needed to be changed over there as well, Thomas Friedman's book (he is a NY Times columnist and editor at large) -
Longitudes and Attitudes : The World in the Age of Terrorism
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... s&n=507846
Also forgotten amongst the criticism of Bush is that he alone realized that the status quo of the middle east and the faulty policies that led to one of the poorest and most democratically hostile regions in the world needed to be reversed. We all knew that - but with 9/11 and the ability for nations like Afghanistan (Taliban) and Saddam's flaunt rejection of U.N. mandates concerning WMD's - the game changed. I credit Bush for having the temerity and realization of this fact.
It has never been more important that this region be changed for the better - economically, politically, and socially.
Like I said, I know this is hugely unpopular with a lot of people. But no one ever said this was going to be easy. And frankly, I'm old enough and secure enough in my understanding of what we need to do in this world that I don't really give a flying rat's ass about whether the artistic community, the extreme left, the anti-Bush at all cost crowd have to say.
I believe it is the right thing we are doing over there despite the risk and the cost we've incurred so far over there. The alternative to our solution is apparent every day in Iraq - those that would have us leave would create the very thing that has damned that region for the last several decades....
And frankly, I think it is shameful for U.S. citizens to call for the withdrawl of our troops before we finish what we have started over there with the support of the Iraqi people and the need to institutue the beginnings of a working democracy. After that, it will be up to the Iraqi people (w/ world support, hopefully) to make their nation work. They all know they don't want a Saddam revisited - the purple voting finger made that clear a couple of months ago.
So there ya have it. Damn me at will. LOL.
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rob.
p.s. BTW, love Live. Use it every day now. Consider this: For those that disagree with me, we still have something in common.
If you want the justifications for the war, read the unanimously passed resolution that went through congress. Its all there. That, plus the need to remove hostile states that could contribute to state sponsored terrorism as well as removing fascist (mind you, I'm using the term correctly in regards to the...) Baathist party leader who had no regard towards the security council resolutions and did not provide the proof of removing WMD's like he was legally obligated to do.... well, its all there.
W/ regard to the democratic process now being worked on in Iraq - this is a process, not an event. It is also the U.S.'s obligation to help institute a government and a stability to the country in liue of its former government being dismantled. It is important, actually critically important that we continue to be there to see this process through.
For those that want a better understanding of why the status quo needed to be changed over there as well, Thomas Friedman's book (he is a NY Times columnist and editor at large) -
Longitudes and Attitudes : The World in the Age of Terrorism
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... s&n=507846
Also forgotten amongst the criticism of Bush is that he alone realized that the status quo of the middle east and the faulty policies that led to one of the poorest and most democratically hostile regions in the world needed to be reversed. We all knew that - but with 9/11 and the ability for nations like Afghanistan (Taliban) and Saddam's flaunt rejection of U.N. mandates concerning WMD's - the game changed. I credit Bush for having the temerity and realization of this fact.
It has never been more important that this region be changed for the better - economically, politically, and socially.
Like I said, I know this is hugely unpopular with a lot of people. But no one ever said this was going to be easy. And frankly, I'm old enough and secure enough in my understanding of what we need to do in this world that I don't really give a flying rat's ass about whether the artistic community, the extreme left, the anti-Bush at all cost crowd have to say.
I believe it is the right thing we are doing over there despite the risk and the cost we've incurred so far over there. The alternative to our solution is apparent every day in Iraq - those that would have us leave would create the very thing that has damned that region for the last several decades....
And frankly, I think it is shameful for U.S. citizens to call for the withdrawl of our troops before we finish what we have started over there with the support of the Iraqi people and the need to institutue the beginnings of a working democracy. After that, it will be up to the Iraqi people (w/ world support, hopefully) to make their nation work. They all know they don't want a Saddam revisited - the purple voting finger made that clear a couple of months ago.
So there ya have it. Damn me at will. LOL.
.02,
rob.
p.s. BTW, love Live. Use it every day now. Consider this: For those that disagree with me, we still have something in common.
well, get in line dude!
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I dare you.
I knew that someone like you would try to use Tom Friedman....
Proof you've been washed.
Its no shock that you are spouting the Moral Nessecites of the War in Iraq, You're even using the propaganda catch word-of-the-week "process." Priceless.
Fact is, our country goes to shit, while we spend all of our resources on a dead horse.
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I dare you.
I knew that someone like you would try to use Tom Friedman....
Proof you've been washed.
Its no shock that you are spouting the Moral Nessecites of the War in Iraq, You're even using the propaganda catch word-of-the-week "process." Priceless.
Fact is, our country goes to shit, while we spend all of our resources on a dead horse.
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claudek, America's troops are in Iraq so we have the freedom to pay over $3.60 a gallon for gas. And secure the financial well being for the Bush girls to keep up with the rising price of crack cocaine, (it's a hell of a drug!).
God Bless our "support our troops" magnets!
God Bless our "support our troops" magnets!
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A good example of a city that prepares for disater: TOKYO.
This city and many cities around Japan are built to help sustain earthquakes.Of course, if a huge quake hits Tokyo or Osaka, there would be major loss of life,and city damage, but far better prepared for the worst.
The streets, the archtecture, trains, alert systems..They think to try to deal with disasters the best they can before it happens. I just think if a major Southern city like New Orleans used their budgets wisely and had serious department of engineers working and real federal aid, organized systems for dealing with a huricanes and flooding disaster, their would be alot less of a mess today. This is a huricane region.They happen every year at this time..Does not take a brain surgeon to know that New Orleans is a populated, but poor city; already submerged..If hit by a huricane, there would be a major disaster...and here she is. Now if maybe the billions wasted on bomb making and killing abroad in Iraq, and time, $ and energy was shifted towards working more at home and on inner poor cities and better infrastructure, the USA may not be in so much pain. Many American cities are falling because lack of funds. Crime , education, healthcare..etc..
This city and many cities around Japan are built to help sustain earthquakes.Of course, if a huge quake hits Tokyo or Osaka, there would be major loss of life,and city damage, but far better prepared for the worst.
The streets, the archtecture, trains, alert systems..They think to try to deal with disasters the best they can before it happens. I just think if a major Southern city like New Orleans used their budgets wisely and had serious department of engineers working and real federal aid, organized systems for dealing with a huricanes and flooding disaster, their would be alot less of a mess today. This is a huricane region.They happen every year at this time..Does not take a brain surgeon to know that New Orleans is a populated, but poor city; already submerged..If hit by a huricane, there would be a major disaster...and here she is. Now if maybe the billions wasted on bomb making and killing abroad in Iraq, and time, $ and energy was shifted towards working more at home and on inner poor cities and better infrastructure, the USA may not be in so much pain. Many American cities are falling because lack of funds. Crime , education, healthcare..etc..
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sadly I think you're right..... yesterday when I saw the disaster on french TV i was chocked by one thing: are there only black people in New Orleans?! One week ago in france, 24 black people died (mostly children) in two house fire... they were leaving in great poverty in unhealthy apartments that no one cares about, until this "accident"... strangely those two facts seem similar to me, hélas.Does not take a brain surgeon to know that New Orleans is a populated but poor city, and already submerged
One thing more: scientifics tried to alert on the New Orleans geographical situation for several years now..... who listen to them? do you ear them in America?
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Well said!robtronik wrote:obviously this is a hugely unpopular stance, but those that don't think that Saddam needed to be removed post 9/11 don't fully understand the war on terror.
If you want the justifications for the war, read the unanimously passed resolution that went through congress. Its all there. That, plus the need to remove hostile states that could contribute to state sponsored terrorism as well as removing fascist (mind you, I'm using the term correctly in regards to the...) Baathist party leader who had no regard towards the security council resolutions and did not provide the proof of removing WMD's like he was legally obligated to do.... well, its all there.
W/ regard to the democratic process now being worked on in Iraq - this is a process, not an event. It is also the U.S.'s obligation to help institute a government and a stability to the country in liue of its former government being dismantled. It is important, actually critically important that we continue to be there to see this process through.
For those that want a better understanding of why the status quo needed to be changed over there as well, Thomas Friedman's book (he is a NY Times columnist and editor at large) -
Longitudes and Attitudes : The World in the Age of Terrorism
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/de ... s&n=507846
Also forgotten amongst the criticism of Bush is that he alone realized that the status quo of the middle east and the faulty policies that led to one of the poorest and most democratically hostile regions in the world needed to be reversed. We all knew that - but with 9/11 and the ability for nations like Afghanistan (Taliban) and Saddam's flaunt rejection of U.N. mandates concerning WMD's - the game changed. I credit Bush for having the temerity and realization of this fact.
It has never been more important that this region be changed for the better - economically, politically, and socially.
Like I said, I know this is hugely unpopular with a lot of people. But no one ever said this was going to be easy. And frankly, I'm old enough and secure enough in my understanding of what we need to do in this world that I don't really give a flying rat's ass about whether the artistic community, the extreme left, the anti-Bush at all cost crowd have to say.
I believe it is the right thing we are doing over there despite the risk and the cost we've incurred so far over there. The alternative to our solution is apparent every day in Iraq - those that would have us leave would create the very thing that has damned that region for the last several decades....
And frankly, I think it is shameful for U.S. citizens to call for the withdrawl of our troops before we finish what we have started over there with the support of the Iraqi people and the need to institutue the beginnings of a working democracy. After that, it will be up to the Iraqi people (w/ world support, hopefully) to make their nation work. They all know they don't want a Saddam revisited - the purple voting finger made that clear a couple of months ago.
So there ya have it. Damn me at will. LOL.
.02,
rob.
p.s. BTW, love Live. Use it every day now. Consider this: For those that disagree with me, we still have something in common.
Why does there seem to be a correlation between the ability to gather all relevant facts, spelling, and grammar, and the ability to put forth a credible, substantiated argument?
I for one couldn't give a shit what gas costs in the U.S. It's about time America woke up and learned how the rest of the world rations our precious and finite resources. Then again, many of them need V8 redneck pickups or urban SUVs to carry their fat KFC asses around.
I'm American, by the way, and spent 15 years in the Air Force.