Something New on the Horizon?

[igneous]

Glad to finally get a glimpse at it--assuming it's legit, which I think it is because if someone was making a mockup they'd probably do something more sensational. Looks like a Push 1 with a fancy LED screen. Was hoping for something a bit more innovative, I'll hold judgement til more info comes out.
http://imgur.com/S8tTUgM

[Angstrom]

Some rumours drifting around that it has an audio interface, which would imply some sort of standalone capabilities. But then rumours are easilly started so can't be trusted.

There's a rumour that it has a built in spring reverb which I just started.

[yur2die4]

I'm really interested in waveform options (session clips? Sampler? Other? Does it open it for other devices? Can you split it to view multiple waveforms?), but as mentioned all I can do is wait and see.

[TomViolenz]

Re the picture: This is really disappointing!
I'm not saying it's useless to handle audio clips on Push. Far from it! But if this is the only change after, what, 3 years?! It's just embarrasing. One could argue that this should have been Push all along.

All this will do is for very little benefit, they just significantly lowered the re-sell value of the MK1.

If on the other hand it is true that this is as well a stand alone device as it is a Push controller with access to audio clips. Where what you you make in standalone mode becomes a seamless export to a Live set, that you then can continue working on in Live with the Push aspect of it. Like a Novation Circut/Korg Electribe on steroids AND Meth?!
I think my G.A.S. would kick back in so hard!

Doubt it though.

I'm really interested in waveform options (session clips? Sampler? Other? Does it open it for other devices? Can you split it to view multiple waveforms?), but as mentioned all I can do is wait and see.

I think it's nothing more (or less!) than control over audio clips.

Maschine only uses its sampler, because it doesn't actually have audio clips.
Sampler wouldn't make much sense for Ableton, though I would certainly welcome it! A rework of Sampler that can time stretch and actually sample has been a dream of many Live users for a very long time.
But then they would have to hand out Sampler with Intro, so that the non Suite Push users could have it too. That is highly doubtfull.

[igneous]

A rework of Sampler that can time stretch and actually sample has been a dream of many Live users for a very long time.

This has been my dream for a very long time. Built a Max for Live device that does this that I'll release soon (Henke's Granulator II engine combined with a really powerful live-sampling engine), but I would love a native version.

Just a thought--even if we now have greater access to the audio, having a screen should be one of the last of priorities. Musicians play with their hands, not their eyes. I'd want to see more physical ways of interacting with clips, not a way of looking at them.

[igneous]

though a realization--having access to this in M4L will be very cool.

[yur2die4]

I kind of put Akai low on the list for my experiences with pads also. I'm not too thrilled with Push's pads. I would way prefer NI, Novation, M-audio (although they are now Akai), korg. Pads

And the fucking buttons on the original Push. Anyone here ever accidentally press play/record not hard enough?

Still. Waveforms. If you can view them on this new controller, chances are you'll be able to view them on any other external device with an open graphical display. This can take some guess work out for particular things with knobs etc

[Treshell]

I would way prefer NI, Novation, M-audio (although they are now Akai), korg. Pads

Or Keith McMillen. Got the K-Board recently for my laptop and the response on those pads is fantastic.

Don't know what it is with AKAI, but they sure love making stiff buttons and clunky keys.

[TomViolenz]

Re the picture: This is really disappointing!
I'm not saying it's useless to handle audio clips on Push. Far from it! But if this is the only change after, what, 3 years?! It's just embarrasing. One could argue that this should have been Push all along.

All this will do is for very little benefit, they just significantly lowered the re-sell value of the MK1.

If on the other hand it is true that this is as well a stand alone device as it is a Push controller with access to audio clips. Where what you you make in standalone mode becomes a seamless export to a Live set, that you then can continue working on in Live with the Push aspect of it. Like a Novation Circut/Korg Electribe on steroids AND Meth?!
I think my G.A.S. would kick back in so hard!

Doubt it though.

I'm really interested in waveform options (session clips? Sampler? Other? Does it open it for other devices? Can you split it to view multiple waveforms?), but as mentioned all I can do is wait and see.

I think it's nothing more (or less!) than control over audio clips.

Maschine only uses its sampler, because it doesn't actually have audio clips.
Sampler wouldn't make much sense for Ableton, though I would certainly welcome it! A rework of Sampler that can time stretch and actually sample has been a dream of many Live users for a very long time.
But then they would have to hand out Sampler with Intro, so that the non Suite Push users could have it too. That is highly doubtfull.

Well I was wrong about Ableton making the sample control audio clip control.

This has advantages, but still leaves us without proper audio clip control.
And they only did all this for Simpler, not Sampler

[yur2die4]

But Simpler IS audio clips...
...except for the part where you can't trigger the clip in the middle of a held note :/

And there are probably slight offsets when triggering midi vs audio.

But really, this takes Live a step closer to merging session clips into their sampling instrument.

The most interesting part to me was how in the vid they recorded and Audio clip then pressed a button?? Do dump the audio clip into Simpler?? I can work with something like that.

Are you able to do the same with Looper???

Is this button midi mappable for non-Push users to exploit?

[TomViolenz]

But Simpler IS audio clips...
...except for the part where you can't trigger the clip in the middle of a held note :/

And there are probably slight offsets when triggering midi vs audio.

But really, this takes Live a step closer to merging session clips into their sampling instrument.

The most interesting part to me was how in the vid they recorded and Audio clip then pressed a button?? Do dump the audio clip into Simpler?? I can work with something like that.

Are you able to do the same with Looper???

Is this button midi mappable for non-Push users to exploit?

Such a button does not exist afaict, and the release notes mention no such thing.
It was probably clever editing of the video giving a wrong impression.

[Angstrom]

The most interesting part to me was how in the vid they recorded and Audio clip then pressed a button?? Do dump the audio clip into Simpler?? I can work with something like that.
Are you able to do the same with Looper???

Is this button midi mappable for non-Push users to exploit?

Such a button does not exist afaict, and the release notes mention no such thing.
It was probably clever editing of the video giving a wrong impression.

It's an odd thing. That CDM article has a headline of "Sampling is now part of the workflow" and casually mentions things like "In Ableton’s Loop presentation, the demos focused on sampling classic records" and "Push 2 makes this a lot more fun. You really never have to look at the screen or touch the mouse."

All of which doesn't really add up. Where is the caveat sentence " you can't sample with Push". I'm disappointed in you Peter Kirn. I know it's good to be cosy with the big cool DAW manufacturer, but don't do this.

[yur2die4]

In the main promo, you can clearly see a Clip's waveform recording.

Is this fake?? Or is it expected to exist? I doubt they would put an imaginary feature in the first few seconds of their promo vid

[TomViolenz]

In the main promo, you can clearly see a Clip's waveform recording.

Is this fake?? Or is it expected to exist? I doubt they would put an imaginary feature in the first few seconds of their promo vid

Recording in an audio clip you can do (as before).
Mangling a sample in Simpler you can do (new).
Moving a sample from an audio clip to Simpler via Push - not possible afaict.
I'd like to be wrong though.

Who knows maybe they have now all the right mouse click "slice to..." options available via Push. Though the release notes mentioned nothing of the sort.

[Angstrom]

I have a suspicion they may introduce it in a beta , like 9.5b3 or something.

My thought "Current Project" is a Place.
Samples are now browsable.
Currently recorded Samples exist in Current Project Place.

You picking up what I am laying down ?