Reasons for keeping Push 1, please add yours

[molefonken]

Pad slicing now works perfect on the new beta.. Just, wow. Powerful stuff.

[tedlogan]

Yeah...every day is a massive drag at work. Can't stop thinking of stuff I'm gonna do are am busy with on Push. I sort of runwalk home. It's funny how workflow enhancements can form the bedrock of enjoyment sometimes.

[Serenade Grenade]

I dont see enough I can do with Push 2 that I can't do with Push 1. I would rather get a decent midi keyboard/ digital piano. I have what I need to add some human input and jam. I love the scales feature, especially now it remembers what scale I am in. I dont need the rest of the stuff, I still prefer to do fine editting and some arrangement with mouse and keys than push.

[starving student]

Pad slicing now works perfect on the new beta.. Just, wow. Powerful stuff.

what were the issues with pad slicing before?

[molefonken]

You simply couldn't use the pad slicing mode. Push 1 can now utilize custom device banks for Simpler (see changes for push, second row https://www.ableton.com/en/help/article ... ase-notes/).

Before this beta made it work, I had to use a max for live device called "AZ-LABS Pad Slicing Mode 1.0.1"

Now, as far as I know, the only thing that is different with this mode is the waveform display (with push 1, you can turn knobs to move start, end, nudge and more, but you have to look at your screen). But man, I'm glad they made the slicing mode work perfectly fine on the push 1. I have no problem sitting on the fence for the push 2 now.

[fishmonkey]

I have no problem sitting on the fence for the push 2 now.

[starving student]

so in your opinion then you don't think that all of the small things added together make push 2 a worthwhile upgrade. I mean even though small things, the way it all comes together can be profound sometimes, but your feelings are it's not enough to get a push 2?

I have a push 2 but unopened in the box/returnable, but also have someone who wants to sell me their mint push 1 for $250 so I'm really contemplating the minutia.

[tedlogan]

You simply couldn't use the pad slicing mode. Push 1 can now utilize custom device banks for Simpler (see changes for push, second row https://www.ableton.com/en/help/article ... ase-notes/).

Before this beta made it work, I had to use a max for live device called "AZ-LABS Pad Slicing Mode 1.0.1"

Now, as far as I know, the only thing that is different with this mode is the waveform display (with push 1, you can turn knobs to move start, end, nudge and more, but you have to look at your screen). But man, I'm glad they made the slicing mode work perfectly fine on the push 1. I have no problem sitting on the fence for the push 2 now.

Ahhh you meant Push 1. Was wondering about it too since slicing mode's been fine since release.

I plugged in Push V1 just to check out how it compares to V2. It's not just the waveform that's missing - no Warp bank (warp as x bars; :2; x2; warp mode; formants;envelope etc) either, which is not the end of the world, but I use it all the time though. They'll probably add this bank later for V1. That said, having the waveform right there by the controls is great, amongst many other things. I don't recommend trying out Push 2 at a retailer or friend - you won't want to go back to V1.

I've noticed, with both plugged in, that while you can only be in one track in Live at any given moment, both Push don't have to display the same thing. One can display level meters while the other device parameters. One can display session view while the other note mode or drum sequencer, and they can both be in totally different octaves.

One push can also display the first 8 tracks in session view, while the other tracks 9-16 etc

hmm I might just hang on to Push 1 alongside Push 2...

so in your opinion then you don't think that all of the small things added together make push 2 a worthwhile upgrade. I mean even though small things, the way it all comes together can be profound sometimes, but your feelings are it's not enough to get a push 2?

I thought this would be the case for me, I just bought it coz it was essentially half price. I could not go back to just using V1 in a million years. The whole package as a sum is far superior.

[starving student]

I wonder how many folks are feeling this way,

[tedlogan]

No idea. Anyone that did buy Push 2 after owning V1, that I've seen or read on either YouTube or forums, seems to have the same enthusiasm that I do for this new one.

One could argue that it's partially because we spent the money and we're trying to justify it. Perhaps, who knows.

I will say that I haven't been this satisfied in using Live and just recording in general, ever. Honeymoon period? It is possible, but I doubt it. Either way, fuck it - just the whole workflow of tweaking existing Zebra and Bazille loops of mine from Push (with the rather useful new "save as default config" for VSTs), recording this into audio tracks, and then slicing them in Simpler is enough to make me quite happy. New weird "drum" rack a day keeps depression away.

Yup, Push 1 can do all that...but someone else described it really well - "It was like playing guitar with gloves on"

Just the User Library now being the very first thing in the browser makes a big difference to how I work. Before it was so tedious.

And numerous other lovely little things.

You just gotta try it yourself. It might be the most "Meh" moment of your life as well, so do try before you buy.

Edit - i forgot to mention the different icons in Corpus for the Resonance Types - "Beam" is a rectangular cuboid, and "Marimba" the same, except with a half circle cut out through the bottom middle. Surely this seals the deal?

[starving student]

I love live already, it's just the Push that I'm contemplating..... anyway I don't want to hijack this thread it's supposed to be about reasons to keep push 1
so I hope all of the folks who feel that way will continue to post up their reasons, I'll start a new thread to obsess.

[molefonken]

so in your opinion then you don't think that all of the small things added together make push 2 a worthwhile upgrade. I mean even though small things, the way it all comes together can be profound sometimes, but your feelings are it's not enough to get a push 2?

I have a push 2 but unopened in the box/returnable, but also have someone who wants to sell me their mint push 1 for $250 so I'm really contemplating the minutia.

Don't get me wrong, I'll probably get my hands on the push 2 in the future. It is indeed a upgrade from the MK1. I guess my workflow will improve. It is also clearly a better build quality then MK1 (a huge plus imo.. see the tear down vid).

However, when Ableton (and this is why I like the push+daw-integration alot, even if a Push with integrated sound card would be something as well..) is putting out new features and updates for it in Live, they make me less thirsty for the MK2, as it is allowing me a new sampling-workflow.

When I first heard about the Push 2 and the 9.5 update, I was so crazy about it. The possibilities with sampling in the new simpler is stuff I always wanted to do on the MK1. Now I can do exactly that, and I enjoy how it works for now. Here are some reasons for keeping my Push 1 for a bit longer:

- Velocity issue on the MK2 Pads (curious if this will get fixed in a firmware update)
- Pad Slicing Mode now works on the MK1 (maybe lacks some features, but I'm good)
- The MK2 just got released, and it needs bug-testing
- The MK2 is pricey even with the trade-in offer (giving push to kids is perhaps more valuable though)
- I'm short on money
- The trade-in offer ends in May
- No one has bought my beloved MK1 yet

[Stromkraft]

Here's my other reason for keeping Push 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I04LXUNNrpY

The Raven is impressive isn't it? The 27" stand alone model is down to $999 now, they were introduced at $2,500, and the 30" model embedded in a desk is ridiculously expensive still. What's funny is what Slate things is the instant win, drum pads... :lol: Why they start with that I don't know?

I think anyone who uses more than Live plug ins, who works in other DAWs sometimes would be foolish not to take a look at keeping Push 1 for the launching, performance functions, and buying a Slate Raven instead.

Indeed. I want to give you and Steven a great hug. Thank you, thank you.

[blof_eld]

You simply couldn't use the pad slicing mode. Push 1 can now utilize custom device banks for Simpler (see changes for push, second row https://www.ableton.com/en/help/article ... ase-notes/).

Before this beta made it work, I had to use a max for live device called "AZ-LABS Pad Slicing Mode 1.0.1"

Now, as far as I know, the only thing that is different with this mode is the waveform display (with push 1, you can turn knobs to move start, end, nudge and more, but you have to look at your screen). But man, I'm glad they made the slicing mode work perfectly fine on the push 1. I have no problem sitting on the fence for the push 2 now.

That's awesome that you can do nudge, etc from the Push 1 now. My Push 1 is right below the monitor, so that will be great for using the new Simpler!

Can you delete slices and adjust sensitivity from Push 1?

[Tagor]

i go for push 3 . i upgraded my ssd & omisphere
i will not upgrade reaktor 5 or waves-upgrade period or what they call it
i will profit more from a constant workflow over a longer time period
Push 2 will be push me back 3 month until i get warm with it
this i maybe will save for push 3 wich hopefully combines the best of both worlds

until that the apc40 and push1 is like heaven

ps.. even live-updates sometimes change workflow-possibilities specially with m4l-tools
so i really can imagine that push1 + push3 can be a bummer @stage