EXCLUDE CLIPS from scenes (aka "free the x-axis")

[yeahyeahsuper]

Dear rozze,
I'm 100% with you. This is a great feature request and I'd welcome a free x-axis very, very much.
Thanks for your suggestion.

PS: this is my first post so I'm a bit excited

[chapelier fou]

bump !!!

[grunzlaut]

Yes. Another one for a free x-axis.

I think this should have been implemented in live the day follow actions were implemented. Not to forget dummy clips

[LuckyLoo]

Yes please, excluding clips is a must have.

[Sarrova-Q]

Just giving this a bump
Excluding from scene launch is still a great idea. Maybe with two options:

Right click on a clip would say:
Exclude from scene launch: act as stop (when triggering a scene, this clip acts as an empty clip with stop button)
Exclude from scene launch: ignore launch (when triggering a scene, this clip gets ignored. Other clips on that track keep playing)

This would allow you to trigger a scene without launching clips with hits or additional stuff.
The reason why I ask this is because I don't like making a whole separate scene just for things that can not be launched with the scene trigger.
Also, it would make Live behave more like a groovebox: you select a new song (with scene launch), certain tracks start playing and others are ready to be triggered.

Still hoping for this

[S4racen]

This is possible with Maxforlive, if you have it?

Cheers
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[Sarrova-Q]

This is possible with Maxforlive, if you have it?

Cheers
D

Really? Which device would you use for that?
My goal is having the second function:
Exclude from scene launch: act as stop (when triggering a scene, this clip acts as an empty clip with stop button)

My own Max skills are non-existent :S

[S4racen]

Here you go...

http://isotonikstudios.com/isotonik/launchsync-series/

Cheers
D

[Sarrova-Q]

Here you go...

http://isotonikstudios.com/isotonik/launchsync-series/
D

I'm sorry if I misunderstood but "Define which tracks that will be excluded from Scene Launching" is not what I asked.
I need to exclude certain clips and there not always on the same channel (if that was the case, I can just as easily make group tracks and launch the group clip). Also, this wont make the clips playing in that track to stop. If you have a better option, I gladly pay for it!

[S4racen]

If i understand you correctly that's way to complicated to be made in Max, you'll need to find another way of working...

Think logically, when a scene is launched Live knows whats in that scene so it happens instantly, if it had to read all of the clips and decide whether to launch or not based on it's settings then it'd end up not triggering a clip in time...

You'll possibly need a complete rewrite of Live, maybe Live 10 eh?

Cheers
D

[Sarrova-Q]

Ah yes ... that's why I posted in the feature wishlist. For Ableton to do this, it seems not a biggie. But for anyone else this problem can't be solved. Not with M4L, not with Clyphx, not with anything else. The solution has to come from the code inside Live. Thanks anyway!

You see, the problem is: when I launch a scene, in my livesets I start a whole new pattern / song.
I have 8 drumtracks and 8 synthtracks, but when I start the new song not everything needs to start as I like to build up the song gradually (playing LIVE you know ). I can't remember and/or I'm not quick enough to start only the tracks I need every time. Before the switch I sometimes have my hands full twisting effects or playing something to make the transition. I could make a new scene just for the "intro" of my pattern but that doubles the need of scenes for me - for every new scene (pattern) I need to make a special "intro" scene.
For everyone who has ever worked with some kind of groovebox this is a big aspect of the live performance. You go to the next song, but when launching only certain tracks start while the others are muted but ready to start.

[Sarrova-Q]

Right now, I'm using Clyphx with the following X-Clip: [] STOPALL ; 1/play; 3-4/play
I can just use the scene launch button (the X-Clip is on the same scene).

STOPALL stops all clips, next it starts clip 1, 3 and 4 in this example.
This could be what I need, I just don't know how reliable this is.
Would anyone use this in a liveset setting?
I can't risk that the STOPALL would be triggered without anything else resulting in complete silence ...

[chapelier fou]

I would trust your approach. Assuming you use some launching quantization, be aware that API calls have a small delay, so trigger your action a bit earlier and you should be fine.
But why not the other way round ? Just stop the clips you don't want to play ?

[Sarrova-Q]

Stopping results in the same actions: I just don't have the time to stop every clip I don't want to play because I'm busy doing the transitions.
Thanks for the reply!

[Sarrova-Q]

Hmm I'm making it too difficult. I thought stopping clips wasn't possible in Clyphx but I can just make a [] 1-2/stop clip. Okay sorry for the thread this works as I want it to work.
For whoever's interested: I'm using this action now to accomplish the above: [] 1/play; 2-3/stop; 4play
This starts clip 1 and 4 and stops 2 and 3.