ROBBIE WILLIAMS vs AUTOTUNES

Nod · Post by **Nod** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 3:43 pm

supster wrote: people here barely know who he is.
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You lucky b******s

Here he's a cultural plague of mediocrity akin to a little known Australian 'singer' called Kylie Minogue. And if you don't know who she is - you're even luckier

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 5:19 pm

Lucky, lucky, lucky..!

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Tue Sep 06, 2005 6:40 pm

I imagine the rampant use of Autotune also has something to do with studio time=money.

tomperson · Post by **tomperson** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 12:44 pm

noisetonepause wrote:Lucky, lucky, lucky..!

I prefer both Kylie (looks cool on her videos) and Rob (looks cool on his videos???

) to some stupid beautiful-girl-becomes-reality-show-freak like that girl on MTV, what was he name??? and she has a little sister too that "sings"...oh my...

Anyway, if we are going to consume POP, it better be a little more musical, and I guess thats where Rob has thumbs up. And don't say you don't consume POP, because you eventually find yourself somewhere were people are listening (consciously or not, like in public spaces) to this music.

tekkers · Post by **tekkers** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:30 pm

he's from ma hometown - allmost everyone has a 'when i met robbie' story

the dude got famous in an early 90's boyband 'take that' - who were utter utter shit and homo beyond comparison - kinda like a gayer new kids on the block

so from his camp pop beginnnings - the dude managed to evolve into catchy formulated rock/pop nonsense and now is seen as some sorta superstar hmmm

tho after releasing an album of bigband swing music - yes the man is insane and thinks he's some sorta demigod 'ohh thats daring of him releasing a swing music ep! what a cad! ' twit - talk about alienating his preteen and football yob meat pie eatin fat beer boy massive. - since that hes been kinda quiet - prolly tryin to 'break' america

please - u ppl have guns over there - shot the selfrightous smug little prick and remove the world of one more leaching little parasite - and while ya at it shoot guy chambers the dude who writes all his music - scum.

'Robbie Williams exists for one reason alone. To make a record company money. There is no entertainment value inherent in his work. It is artless, soulless, and glorifies inanity and ignorance. Worse than any of this though, it is actually profoundly, skin-crawlingly, cuticle-tearingly, eye-gougingly irritating to listen to. Not only is it bad, it insults and degrades the self respect of the listener.'

tekkers · Post by **tekkers** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 2:36 pm

apparently him and kylie were once singin on mtv europe music awards

'Anyone who sat through Robbie and Kylie's excruciating performance at the MTV Europe Music Awards this year will have seen how they fare without their studio help and computer jiggery pokery - my first thought was "Oh, they're singing live, that's a first for this evening (coughJennifer Lopezcough, coughmimingcough). My second thought was "AAAAAH! My ears are bleeding!" They kept missing notes that were outside their extremely limited range, and their voices wobbled more than a drunken mountain goat on roller skates.'

'If this had been a few short years ago, and that had been Milli Vanilli on stage, there would have been cries of "Fake!", an inquiry, an uproar - why, they'd have been stripped of any awards they won, too. Oh, hang on, they were. Why is it evil and wrong for two people to mime to someone else's voices, as long as they can dance and look the part - but it's perfectly okay to mime to your own voice when it's been altered beyond recognition? If you can't sing the fucking song, don't - if it's not your fucking voice, then it's not your fucking voice, it's cheating, and it's wrong. That goes for that fucking annoying vocoder phase we seem to be going through as well. Hey, Robbie! There's one trick you've missed! Try a vocoder effect on your next rap, you arse-faced baboon!'

yeah that quote was posted 5 years ago - i think the masses expect pop stars NOT to be able to sing - whats more important is a good dance routine and some cheeeky chappy arrogance - bomb them all.

innerdreamrecords.com · Post by **innerdreamrecords.com** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:13 pm

yeah that quote was posted 5 years ago - i think the masses expect pop stars NOT to be able to sing - whats more important is a good dance routine and some cheeeky chappy arrogance - bomb them all.

You forgot they have to be cute. I don't think he has a chance here in America, hope I'm right.

Nod · Post by **Nod** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 4:45 pm

tekkers wrote: yeah that quote was posted 5 years ago - i think the masses expect pop stars NOT to be able to sing - whats more important is a good dance routine and some cheeeky chappy arrogance - bomb them all.

Choreography is the new rock'n'roll man...gotta have as many different things distracting the viewer from the mind numbing banality that passes as popular entertainment

What should be more disturbing for musicians in general is the way that 'reality shows' have once again completely marginalised the musicians in favour of the vocalists. Oh lookee here's another bunch of people that can kinda sing and, thanks to wardrobe, hair and sound techs we can make 'em look/sound artistically viable.

Don't get me wrong I am not dissing those who can really, and I mean REALLY, sing because they are in very short supply and can work magic with their chords without so much as a nudge of EQ let alone a bloody Autotune/Pitch'n'Time/Helicon makeover.

tomperson · Post by **tomperson** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 6:06 pm

I'm still looking for some beautiful girls crazy enough to go and dance onstage while I do my thing on a corner and not being bothered

Hey! The audience will prefer that it seems...

Anyway, thanks to the net we have lots of new, fresh options. Parents should ban MTV and all that crap from their homes. And everyone should have one of those universal remote controls for turning off TVs at public places. It's amazing the amount of shit we stand while on public areas without even noticing...

Soulman · Post by **Soulman** » Wed Sep 07, 2005 11:48 pm

I've been onstage with Robbie Williams

conny · Post by **conny** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:00 am

I think he's kind of cool... saw him crying in an interview, crazy guy. I don't care for autotune or not.
If one needs a wheelchair to do he's job and the job is OK - ?
It's like saying one is playing the piano 'cause he would never manage to make the tones right on a violin.
I say this partly because my best friend when I was a teenager had perfect pitch hearing, he played well but never invented anything, nothing new came from him.
I don't have perfect pitch hearing, but I try to do something with what I got.

// C

conny · Post by **conny** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 1:08 am

BTW:
Heard somewhere that the jazz pianist Thelonius Monk had the ability to, when he played a wrong note, he did something good with the thing that was wrong, turning it into art ...
Great guy.

// C

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 3:10 am

conny wrote:BTW:
Heard somewhere that the jazz pianist Thelonius Monk had the ability to, when he played a wrong note, he did something good with the thing that was wrong, turning it into art ...
Great guy.

Keep repeating the mistake and it becomes part of the art! If you keep doing it over and over it must have been intentional, right? I wish those occasional farts that Live spits out could be looped...

fmass · Post by **fmass** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:14 am

tomperson wrote: Parents should ban MTV and all that crap from their homes. And everyone should have one of those universal remote controls for turning off TVs at public places. It's amazing the amount of shit we stand while on public areas without even noticing...

tom ... when you were under militar control you uruguayans were uber-upset .... finally you got a democracy .. with all the problems she brings (MTV included...) and now you are asking all the parents of uruguay to do something because you dont like it ? (Parents should ban MTV and all that crap from their homes)

WTF are you talking about ?

and in Europe this is called masturbation

"I'm still looking for some beautiful girls crazy enough to go and dance onstage while I do my thing on a corner and not being bothered"

tekkers · Post by **tekkers** » Thu Sep 08, 2005 6:50 am

Nod wrote: What should be more disturbing for musicians in general is the way that 'reality shows' have once again completely marginalised the musicians in favour of the vocalists. Oh lookee here's another bunch of people that can kinda sing and, thanks to wardrobe, hair and sound techs we can make 'em look/sound artistically viable.

i agree totally.