Fix the latency issues.

freqn · Post by **freqn** » Sun May 06, 2007 3:17 pm

Work out the latency issues.

OvertoneZero · Post by **OvertoneZero** » Mon May 07, 2007 7:31 pm

MM yeah, this seems important

freqn · Post by **freqn** » Sat May 12, 2007 9:30 pm

Yeah, you would think so, since Live is meant for live use.

Come on Ableton, put more priority on enhancing the quality of Live's puropse - live use. Is anything being done about this? It's annoying everytime I want to run a mic or guitar through live with my set using the shortest cables I can get by with, that there is always that noticeable delay, not matter how I tweak the settings. This is while running Live on an intel core2duo 2ghz machine w/ 2gb of ram.

dCross · Post by **dCross** » Sun May 13, 2007 12:05 am

What kind of audio interface are you running? The sound card has a much bigger impact on latency than the software.

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Mon May 14, 2007 10:08 am

radialson wrote:Yeah, you would think so, since Live is meant for live use.

Come on Ableton, put more priority on enhancing the quality of Live's puropse - live use. Is anything being done about this? It's annoying everytime I want to run a mic or guitar through live with my set using the shortest cables I can get by with, that there is always that noticeable delay, not matter how I tweak the settings. This is while running Live on an intel core2duo 2ghz machine w/ 2gb of ram.

Hi,

David is right, Latency is generally introduced by the soundcard. The wires have little impact on latency. In the real world, distance, as in 'air' gives more latency than cable, i.e. if you are sitting 20 meters from the speakers, you'll experience latency as well (no need to stick your ears to the speakers though!).

Modern sound cards often come with a direct monitoring feature, that allows you to monitor the input without it going through the computer. It is a short circuit from the input to the output, so you can perform without latency, and with monitoring set to OFF in Live, Live takes care to record the audio as you performed it. What sound card do you use?

Regards,
Amaury

poshook · Post by **poshook** » Wed May 16, 2007 9:34 pm

but there is also different latency problem in Live - PLUGIN LATENCY - mentioned by some of Abs.
1. some plugins with internal latency causes latency even they are disabled!!!
2. multioutput VSTi have problem with routed outputs which are delayed

freqn · Post by **freqn** » Tue May 22, 2007 6:06 pm

Thanks for the responses. Right now, until I get an interface, I am using the onboard soundcard on my Macbook. Will an interface help resolve my issue? I do not know that much about them .

samusaran · Post by **samusaran** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:19 am

*bump*
please fix the latency issues!

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 9:20 am

samusaran wrote:*bump*
please fix the latency issues!

Hi,

Thanks for your input, but again, wich ';atency issue' are you talking about? I mean, it's not like we can do anything about your soundcard's latency, or some plugin's latency. We may find smarter ways to deal with latency, but it would really help if you explain what you mean a bit more. Each input is welcome, as it may shed some light on different workflows!

Regards,
Amaury

poshook · Post by **poshook** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 5:04 pm

Amaury wrote:
samusaran wrote:*bump*
please fix the latency issues!
Hi,

Thanks for your input, but again, wich ';atency issue' are you talking about? I mean, it's not like we can do anything about your soundcard's latency, or some plugin's latency. We may find smarter ways to deal with latency, but it would really help if you explain what you mean a bit more. Each input is welcome, as it may shed some light on different workflows!

Regards,
Amaury

Some time ago I talked about plugin latency with Alex. He told me that Live uses different principe working with plugins buffers than other DAWs. I do not remember exactly but I think it was something about different buffer concept.
This concept can cause latency issues.

And again:

1. some plugins with internal latency causes latency even they are disabled (you need to unload plugin to prevent its latency)
2. multioutput VSTi have problem with routed outputs which are delayed (in latency comensation mode, if any plugin with internal latency is used in project)

Amaury · Post by **Amaury** » Tue Jul 03, 2007 10:35 pm

poshook wrote: Some time ago I talked about plugin latency with Alex. He told me that Live uses different principe working with plugins buffers than other DAWs. I do not remember exactly but I think it was something about different buffer concept.
This concept can cause latency issues.

And again:

1. some plugins with internal latency causes latency even they are disabled (you need to unload plugin to prevent its latency)
2. multioutput VSTi have problem with routed outputs which are delayed (in latency comensation mode, if any plugin with internal latency is used in project)

Thanks for the details. I understand where you're coming from now.

Here are some considerations:
1. True. The On/Off button is NOT a 'deactivate' button. The reason is that it is automatable, so if the plugin would be deactivated, it would lead to pops and CPU problems. We may come with a solution in the future, but I can't really tell for sure.
2. That is also true. Monitoring a track is taking the track out of the Delay Compensation loop, so the play-through is optimized. When routing occurs though, it is not the case anymore. Same as above, I can't tell if or when we'll have a better solution, but we are aware of this.

Regards,
Amaury

corgidaddy · Post by **corgidaddy** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 8:15 pm

I noticed the latency problem yesterday. I have an audiophile 2496 sound card that I added to a multiprocessor AMD CPU motherboard running Windows 7.
When I use chainer to play my VSTs there is no noticeable latency. When I load up the same vst and play it with my Push 2 using Ableton Live, there is a quite noticeable latency.
I bought the Push 2 with the goal of using it for live performance.
I hope you can fix this.
It is clear that you are aware of it.
Is the latency not a problem for the packs you sell for the Push 2?
I have noticed a delay when I press the first pad, using a sound from a pack that is included in the introductory version of Live that I have, but after the first pad is pressed it seems to have a faster response.
I haven't found the latency compensation mode yet.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sun Apr 24, 2016 10:44 pm

This thread is 9 years old. Many things changed since then.
You should be having around 6ms of latency.

And what does the latency value in live's preferences->audio pane say?
What is the buffersize set to?
Is it actually using the asio driver?

Did you run the latency lesson that is in the help?

RadioOnMars · Post by **RadioOnMars** » Mon Apr 25, 2016 9:45 am

It could be that the problem here is the use of Windows and Direct X. Sometimes the default buffersize on windows is set to 8192, over a hundred milliseconds of latency. It may be the case that direct x requires quite large buffersizes generally - eg 2048 ~= 40 ms.

In your case, can you use asio drivers?

pencilrocket · Post by **pencilrocket** » Tue Apr 26, 2016 2:32 am

Group track causes latency. Avoid it as much as possible.

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