Single midi note non-functional

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Omniand
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Single midi note non-functional

Post by Omniand » Fri May 20, 2016 5:07 pm

I have 1 midi note that has stopped working. The message shows properly in the Bome log before being sent to Ableton, then the indicator in the upper right shows Ableton is receiving midi. After that it should get pushed through a midi track and sent to Guitar Rig, but it doesn't show up in the midi track at all. The indicator doesn't show it and I've put a midi monitor on the track and it doesn't either.

All other notes are going through just fine. They're all in a line on the same channel even. Weirdly, I know I was successfully using this midi message to control Guitar Rig earlier this week.

Any ideas? Is there some piece of Ableton that might have got corrupted? (Live Suite 9.6.1, Win 10) Thanks for any help!

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Re: Single midi note non-functional

Post by yur2die4 » Fri May 20, 2016 5:25 pm

Maybe you accidentally midi mapped it to something.

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Re: Single midi note non-functional

Post by Omniand » Sat May 21, 2016 3:36 am

Ha, had clearly been programming things for too long to miss that!

It didn't occur to me though, because I don't believe I mapped it. I control Guitar Rig using it's internal midi controllers, not using Ableton midi mapping. And this note got lost when I was reassigning some controllers in a row. Somehow, just this one became assigned to something called "pre-pre" in the Ableton mappings, making it unavailable to G Rig... To make it weirder, after looking through multiple saves of the set, it looks like it eventually unassigned itself.

Really curious what pre-pre is. It's an on/off, but I can't find what it's connected to. I'm wondering if it's used as a trick to get midi messages from Ableton into Guitar Rig or something.

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Re: Single midi note non-functional

Post by yur2die4 » Sat May 21, 2016 6:45 am

Well, what often times happens is that there will be two midi controllers. And they might share the same midi channel.

When they do that, the controllers conflict with eachother because Live only looks for the cc or note.

So you might have a different controller where you had a button midi mapped, and using your current controller Live thought you were trying to use that parameter when you hit that key.

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Re: Single midi note non-functional

Post by Omniand » Sun May 22, 2016 5:44 pm

I don't think so. I don't use any built-in programming on my midi controllers, keeping track of them with diagrams on paper and spreadsheets. So, excepting a mistake like a typo when I programmed the hardware and Bome, nothing should conflict.

My mapping for Guitar Rig is done inside the plugin, not with Live's mapping functionality, since then I can transfer the plugin to new tracks/sets and not lose the mappings. This is one of the things about Ableton's handling of midi that is really lacking. So, when I was working on the mapping for G Rig, the Ableton mapping mode wasn't active.

I do a lot of this sort of programming work late at night when I have to be quiet in this tiny Japanese apt, so it's entirely possible I had bumped a button some other time and the problem was just now surfacing.

Thanks though for the quick response, definitely tracked it down quicker as a result!

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