warping inconsistency

[dhpetrescu]

Anyone know how I can avoid inconsistencies when warping long tracks.

I'm using just 1 marker, warp from here straight then duplicating the clip. I add warp markers at kicks for one copy and markers for snare at the second copy. The problem is at the end, the tracks no longer align. Am I doing something wrong?


Should I delete all transients or maybe add a second warp marker at the end before marking snares and kicks?

[contortrix]

If you're warping long one-shots, like full tracks for DJing or stems for remixing, you typically only need one warp marker. "Set 1.1.1 here" on the first beat, then "Warp from here (straight)" from that downbeat. The tempo show in the Warp controls might be something like 127.98; change to an integer. Jump to the end of the track and see if it lines up. Only if I look at the end of the track and see that the beats don't line up, do I go back and add more warp markers.

If you clone the original clip, then apply different warping settings to two copies of the clip, all three resulting clips won't match up exactly.

I'm not sure why you would want to warp the kicks and snares separately in two different clips. If you just want multiple copies of the clip, warp it once and don't re-warp the copies. If you want to warp the snares and kicks to land on the beat, I'd add those markers in one clip. If you could tell us more about what you're trying to accomplish, that might clear things up.

[dredd i knight]

You'll need to add markers as you go if the track isn't a modern one.
Use the kicks on the one though rather than the snares unless you want it really tight...

[dhpetrescu]

So what I'm trying to do is Take a three minute song with a consistent tempo and convert the kick and snare pattern to midi. However I want to be very very exact to get the groove correct and I want to do this manually. So my ultimate goal is to mark where I think the kick and snare transients are and then convert that to midi. I seen some YouTube videos of people doing by first warping with 1 warp marker a track to get the original bpm right, then assigning warp markers to the beginning of every kick and snare. (Ableton isn't accurate, I'm zooming in and getting it exactly right). Then convert markers to midi. But when I do this the overall bpm of the song is adjusted by all the warp markers even if they are all assigned the same bpm and over a long track the timing is off.

Is there a better way to do this? I'm ok with something time consuming, I just want to get it accurate.

Ps...thanks to all the replies, I love this board

[Stromkraft]

Is there a better way to do this? I'm ok with something time consuming, I just want to get it accurate.

If the track is sliding, like when recorded from vinyl the tempo can go off a bit or if it's recorded that way, make the clip a tempo master in Arrangement and then do the MIDI conversion from there. There are few reasons to add many warp markers if you want to retain the original groove. That's primarily for changing the groove. It may be necessary at some point, but not for just overcoming tempo variation.

I did a remake of a favorite track in the above fashion where I wanted to be able to play along the original and understand the groove. When I had done my most important MIDI recordings I removed the tempo master clip and had an unvaried tempo.

The resulting MIDI can be applied with the original tempo differences or without. But if you need to reuse the original recording as a whole and not keep its tempo variance, you're better off warping and quantizing the whole thing before all this to some acceptable state. It's probably easier to use shorter snippets in that case.

[NoSonic822]

what warp mode are you using...should be re-pitch