** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (SOLVED)**

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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (HELP!!) **

Post by garyboozy » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:17 pm

ahh, sorry about that - i'd forgotten the limitation of the chain selector.

the way i did it was to map my controller's pads/buttons to midi clips in the synth rack track,
clips that contain the chain selector number, like this:

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...soo you can map the clips and the track headers to the same buttons.
basically, you have a clip per synth, and firing the clips with the buttons will let you play only the desired synth and control only its macros.

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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (HELP!!) **

Post by yur2die4 » Mon Oct 17, 2016 2:45 pm

For the solution to the pad problem I would suggest glancing at my first suggestion. I tried it out last night just to make sure the 'theory' still stands.

It works best if your pads are chromatic notes. If your pads can be set to a different midi channel than your keyboard then they won't interfere with note input.

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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (SOLVED!!) **

Post by GIADIS » Mon Oct 31, 2016 2:09 pm

So, i've come up with a solution, thank to your help and some other videos i've found on youtube.

If you're up to play keyboards in your band, and your setup is pretty complex in terms of number of scenes, tracks and sounds,
i think you will find it extremely usefull to set ABLETON this way:

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1: As ableton can take advantage of just ONE CORE per track, and the only way you have in order not to exhaust your CPU is to treat MIDI and AUDIO separately.
2: Create as many instrument tracks as you need and for each create a corresponding EMPTY MIDI TRACK to trigger them independently from each other.
3: Set every track (both MIDI and INSTRUMENTS) to "monitor on".
4: Set every instrument track to "NO INPUT" in the midi input section, cause you don't want to stress the CPU by sending unnecessary MIDI MESSAGES twice.
5: Route every MIDI TRACK to the desired instrument.
6: Set the SPEAKER ON/OFF with clips envelopes whenever you launch them, so you HEAR and PLAY just the instruments you need for that particular song.
7: On instrument track, i strongly recommend to create empty midi clips to reset MIDI CTRS to specific values, so your sounds will be exactly the same whenever you start a new song, no matter the editing you did in the previous song. This way you can stick to your usual 4 or 5 physical controllers. Should you want to have separate MIDI CTRLs for every song, set every MIDI TRACK to different MIDI CHANNELS, but remember to change midi channel from your MIDI KEYBOARD whenever you change song. Considering that midi channels are 16, your project will likely consist of 30, 40 or even more scenes, and during concerts you usually need to concentrate on playing, things may start to be confusing....


Hope this will help.

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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (SOLVED)**

Post by Angstrom » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:49 pm

My word

I really wouldn't do it that way, but each to their own.

personally I use a preset selector device which takes MIDI program change controls from my control keyboard. So If I press program "1" on my master I get my preset 1 in the rack.

In this gif I'm pressing on my master keyboard Program Change keys. I can also use it's alpha wheel if I like. anything that sends program changes will do it.
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the reason you see me press "update" is because I'd just changed the title of the Instrument Rack, there's no continuous watcher on that attribute. It only loads that list usually when the set loads, or a new device is loaded. Not if the variable "name" changes.

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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (SOLVED)**

Post by stringtapper » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:54 pm

Is that a JavaScript thing, Steve?
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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (SOLVED)**

Post by Angstrom » Mon Oct 31, 2016 3:58 pm

actually this is the worlds worst Frankenstein patch in the traditional manner - culled from other peoples patches. It is probably the first thing I ever "made" in M4L

Every day I want to rewrite it in JS, and every day I don't because while it's ugly it still works. The intention is for the new version to be incorporated into my main OSC patch which sends performance data to my iPad. Track names, current volumes, macro names etc. So I will send the "current preset" name too.

But currently the monster lives on!
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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (SOLVED)**

Post by stringtapper » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:07 pm

You must be an OCD freak of extraordinary magnitude if you call that messy! I've seen some spider webs that would probably give you a seizure…
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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (SOLVED)**

Post by Angstrom » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:15 pm

it's the duplication which annoys me, it's cobbled together with "loadbangs" slapped in randomly. I get the strong feeling that it should be about 10 lines of script.
but hey, it works.

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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (SOLVED)**

Post by GIADIS » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:21 pm

Angstrom wrote:My word

I really wouldn't do it that way, but each to their own.

personally I use a preset selector device which takes MIDI program change controls from my control keyboard. So If I press program "1" on my master I get my preset 1 in the rack.

In this gif I'm pressing on my master keyboard Program Change keys. I can also use it's alpha wheel if I like. anything that sends program changes will do it.
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the reason you see me press "update" is because I'd just changed the title of the Instrument Rack, there's no continuous watcher on that attribute. It only loads that list usually when the set loads, or a new device is loaded. Not if the variable "name" changes.
OK, i know how chain selector works....
I see from the yellow LED INDICATOR that you're triggering notes on every instrument even if you change the chain.... That's exatcly the reason why i changed my setup :wink:
My setup is configured to let you trigger, play and hear just the instruments of a selected scene (which means song), even with the most complex and heavy setup.
I also use CHAIN SELECTOR, but just to switch between patches of the same virtual istrument or to move smoothly from verse to chorus in a specific song....stuff like that....
I used to use Chain Selector in the past to switch between songs, but that ABSOLUTELY WON'T WORK if you have many many devices opened, 'cause it's really resources-hungry: furthermore you have to map the header of every instrument rack and sub instrument rack in order to view the parameters you need.

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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (SOLVED)**

Post by Angstrom » Mon Oct 31, 2016 4:47 pm

You wrong about that. In Live 9 they improved the resource allocation for non playing instruments
When there is no note data the device audio chain is not calculated it uses almost no resources.

Yes, you see "yellow" MIDI indicators but the inactive chains are not using CPU in processing the audio paths. What is happening is note data is stripped out, and what remains is things like aftertouch and CC data so that we can alter silent parameters.

60 silent chains with one playing = 7%
1 chain = 6%

not much of a difference.

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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (SOLVED)**

Post by GIADIS » Mon Oct 31, 2016 11:33 pm

Haha...you must be crazy :lol: :lol:

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Re: ** ABLETON AS LIVE KEYBOARD RIG (SOLVED)**

Post by stringtapper » Tue Nov 01, 2016 1:50 am

GIADIS wrote:
Haha...you must be crazy :lol: :lol:
Yep, $30 for a feature-packed live keyboard rig setup IS pretty crazy.
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