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[TomKern]

I used a midi AKAI APC40, however, its dedicated software stopped working as soon as Ableton Live controller has been updated.

You keep repeating this. What dedicated software are you talking about? The APC 40 is nothing but a Midi controller. If anything Ableton Live is the dedicated software as APC stands for Ableton Performance Controller.

Maybe you have problems with the Midi remote script?
I'm sure Ableton Support can help you there.

[gexcube]

informed me of me a person who has 30 years of experience in music, he told me that the Ni maschine uses its preset and can not load external .wav file.

This is getting repetitive. This person is WRONG. And you repeating this claim after you have been told how it really is, reflects badly on you.

.... in Italian (my native language)...

If your english is bad, you should try to use very simplified language to get your points across, because what you write is really hard to understand.

The Ni maschine can not create music simultaneously with ableton live. (As if it were a drum old school hardware machine) example: upload files with SD card, you work with inseririte file in sd card, you load them into its schools of memory, you work with the creations that you just entered.

Yes it can. In every way. Ableton and Maschine are running on the same computer (with Maschine standalone) or even both in Live (.vst version)
You can sequence music in both simultaneously. You can record music into both simultaneously (.vst. Standalone may depend on how you connect your soundcard) . And hell if you install a SD card reader on your computer, you can load new files from SD cards.

But of course Maschine is a MIDI controller at its heart. So you can't actually load samples onto the device (the controller), or run it without a computer.
If you want that look into MPCs or maybe even better an Korg Electribe Sampler. These devices work on their own without a computer. But the integration for working simultaneously is harder to achieve. I'm not so sure if they already work with Link.

But the Electribe exports your creations as Ableton Live Sets. That's very convenient.

Hardware drum machine sequencer with VST dedicated not having links with ableto live and must have all knobs with various multieffects without clicking anything.

That definitely describes the Electribe minus the .vst part.

I use google translate to write in English, I speak only Italian. I'm sorry if I misspelled your English but you are on the right direction to help me.

I saw the NI maschine video tutorials that you have linked to me;
I have known that you can inseire all external .wav file.
I have not seen any tutorials in English that:
NI Maschine:
it could create music with all the various effects immediately. (in association with Ableton Live); NI Maschine controller + vst dedicated + ableton live (ALL in association), you now have understood despite my wrong English.

[gexcube]

NI Maschine controller + vst dedicated + ableton live (ALL in association).
ARTURIA
https://www.arturia.com/products/drums/spark/overview
It was a solution for what I need in future.
there are excellent solutions in 2017 also with new hardware or efficient midi controller or there will not be new for new future releases?
you fill me in future hardware and controller midi with pad,knob and fader, please

[gexcube]

I used a midi AKAI APC40, however, its dedicated software stopped working as soon as Ableton Live controller has been updated.

You keep repeating this. What dedicated software are you talking about? The APC 40 is nothing but a Midi controller. If anything Ableton Live is the dedicated software as APC stands for Ableton Performance Controller.

Maybe you have problems with the Midi remote script?
I'm sure Ableton Support can help you there.

thisi is apc 40: http://www.akaipro.com/product/apc40
I had sale in 2015 Akai APC40 because his dedicated software was not compatible with the new update with ableton live; I asked for help to akai but they could not help me because they had not made the updates to the integrated software.
all companies prodution of music and musical instruments after a period of no more updates released because you are obliged to purchase their new products placed for sale on all websites.
Now I wonder: are these types of solutions?

[TomKern]

I use google translate to write in English, I speak only Italian. I'm sorry if I misspelled your English but you are on the right direction to help me.


NI Maschine:
it could create music with all the various effects immediately. (in association with Ableton Live); NI Maschine controller + vst dedicated + ableton live (ALL in association), you now have understood despite my wrong English.

That explains a lot. Google translate can translate the words very well, but often gets prepositions and word order wrong. This can totally change the meaning of sentences.

The Machine Controller without its software (either .vst or standalone) does nothing at all. You should not talk about them separately.
The Maschine software is basically a very simplified DAW. But it is one where you can do EVERYTHING with the controller (no mouse required).
This includes loading effects. Some of these effects are included in the Maschine software. (and they are rather good) But you can also load any of your effect .vsts.
You can also load in the same way samples (a lot of quite good samples come with the original purchase, some in the same manner can be bought later as machine extensions, and of course you can also load your own samples.
The same goes for instruments. (good ones included, any .vst can be loaded)

The browser in Maschine is VERY good and can be completely controlled from the controller.
You can also record samples with Maschine in a very fluid way, that lends itself for doing it live. (though that is more a Hip-Hop thing than Techno)

All of this loading, sequencing, changing of parameters, recording can be done simultaneously with anything you are doing in Ableton Live.
You can (and should) for instance get your APC40 problem solved and use it to control Live while you use the Maschine Controller for Maschine (running as a .vst within Live.)

I hope this cleared up what you wanted to know.

I personally think Maschine is exactly what you are looking for and would be a very good choice.

[TomKern]

I used a midi AKAI APC40, however, its dedicated software stopped working as soon as Ableton Live controller has been updated.

You keep repeating this. What dedicated software are you talking about? The APC 40 is nothing but a Midi controller. If anything Ableton Live is the dedicated software as APC stands for Ableton Performance Controller.

Maybe you have problems with the Midi remote script?
I'm sure Ableton Support can help you there.

thisi is apc 40: http://www.akaipro.com/product/apc40
I had sale in 2015 Akai APC40 because his dedicated software was not compatible with the new update with ableton live; I asked for help to akai but they could not help me because they had not made the updates to the integrated software.
all companies prodution of music and musical instruments after a period of no more updates released because you are obliged to purchase their new products placed for sale on all websites.

Yes I know what the APC 40 is

And Ableton is responsible for this software update. You should get in contact with them.
The bolded part is wrong (in this case) and your unwarranted cynism not only smells a lot like "Fake News", but also unnecessarily made your own life more difficult. Don't believe conspiracies and simply do your own research. Which in this case means: ask Ableton Support.

[gexcube]

FOR TOMKERN

I nom remember if I asked for help to support ableton but if I sale Akai APC40 certainly none has been able to help me because there was an update to the integrated software Akai APC40;
I was getting along very well with the dedicated software Akai APC40 because with it automap with ableton live. (You understand me)?
I updating ableton live,
The Automap function of dedicated software Akai APC40 was interrupted. they have not been able to help me because there were no firmware.
in 2015 I have also asked for help from ableton though I'm not sure ... I was left very disappointed .. you must believe me. I am aware that all companies sooner or later will not leave forcing upgrades to purchase their nuono hardware product. Worldwide they reason in the same way ..
also with the smartphone.

[TomKern]

FOR TOMKERN

I nom remember if I asked for help to support ableton but if I sale Akai APC40 certainly none has been able to help me because there was an update to the integrated software Akai APC40;

There was never a firmware update issued for the APC 40 AFAIK, could you please link to your source?

If you are talking about the MIDI remote script, as I assume, then
a.) Ableton is responsible for it.
b.) the update should have come with your Ableton Live update itself
c.) you should contact Ableton support
d.) Akai support is shit, and they should have told you to contact Ableton

e.) If you want to produce and play Techno you have to learn to figure out this technology shit. At the least you should have posted here in 2015 when you had the problem. Your posting history shows that you are here since 2010. So why didn't you?!

I was getting along very well with the dedicated software Akai APC40 because with it automap with ableton live. (You understand me)?

Automap is the wrong term (that is a product by Novation)
The functionality you probably mean (everything on the controller was interacting with Ableton Live in the way the manual described) is handled by the MIDI Remote Script, which again is handled by Ableton.

I updating ableton live,
The Automap function of dedicated software Akai APC40 was interrupted. they have not been able to help me because there were no firmware.
in 2015 I have also asked for help from ableton though I'm not sure ... I was left very disappointed .. you must believe me.

I believe you that you were disappointed.
But I'm absolutely certain that you did NOT ask Ableton support. They solve these sort of problems all the time and they do a good job of it.

I am aware that all companies sooner or later will not leave forcing upgrades to purchase their nuono hardware product. Worldwide they reason in the same way ..
also with the smartphone.

This sort of generalization is extremely tiring.
But it is absolutely aggravating in cases when it is clear that it's not true and the one spouting it is not willing to understand when he's told so.

To repeat: NO, ABLETON HAS NOT ABONDENED ANY OF THEIR OWN CONTROLLERS (and APC 40 can be viewed as such) and are usually quite good with updating the scripts for all the controllers they support to keep them working as expected.
That includes quite old controllers.

You should learn your technology and not spout empty accusations against honorable companies to blame them for YOUR shortcomings.

FFS

[gexcube]

For TOMKERN
I am asking to you my most sincere apologies if the deadline was not correct ... you are right, the term to be matched by Akai APC40 is AUTOMATION and not SCRIPT Remote Midi is not for Novation Automap controller;

I definitely would have sent a message to Private Ableton support and not to Ableton Forum;
I had sold Akai APC40 because certainly both companies (Akai and Ableton support via private message) they had not poturo help me.
that's all. you have to believe me.
I did not say that: They are not serious companies but not have been able to help me.
They replied that there are no updates / firmware for Bundled dell'akai APC40 software for the controller (midi remote script as you've mentioned previously);
I now want to know from you: Ableton always will schedule these (AUTOMATION) script to akai all Midi Controller? to whom I should contact? you write me the link, email to resolve these problems in the future. (I refer to the company Ableton);

[TomKern]

For TOMKERN
I am asking to you my most sincere apologies if the deadline was not correct ... you are right, the term to be matched by Akai APC40 is SCRIPT Remote Midi is not for Novation Automap controller;

I definitely would have sent a message to Private Ableton support and not to Ableton Forum;
I had sold Akai APC40 because certainly both companies (Akai and Ableton support via private message) they had not poturo help me.
that's all. you have to believe me.
I did not say that: They are not serious companies but not have been able to help me.
They replied that there are no updates / firmware for Bundled dell'akai APC40 software for the controller (midi remote script as you've mentioned previously);
I now want to know from you: Ableton always will schedule these (remote midi) script to akai all Midi Controller? to whom I should contact? you write me the link, email to resolve these problems in the future. (I refer to the company Ableton);

Normally you have to do nothing to get Midi remote scripts, they come with your Ableton Live installation and when you update Live and that update requires an updated Midi Remote Script then this too gets delivered with your Live update.
Which ones you have you can see in your preferences in Ableton Live under the "Midi Sync" tab when you click into any of the six "Control Surface" slots.
(right now in my installation both the APC 40 and the APC 40 MKII are listed).

Should any problems arise, as in your case, you should contact Ableton Support

Re: the bolded part: That was probably the correct answer.
I assume the problem was with the way you connected the control surface.
If you did not get an Italian speaker on support, I can absolutely imagine that you were speaking past each other and misunderstood each other.

I'm certain if you would have asked on the forum people would have been willing and able to help you even thru the language/Google translate barrier. Just as we did today.

[gexcube]

Now we must return to the speech of this post:
which solution is best for my personal needs?
  I want the right combination and as midi controller with AUTOMATION on ableton live either as hardware in full AUTOMATION (it's the right word for remote script midi) with its VST in Ableton Live;
as Arturia Spark Creative Drum Machine "it is not for sale", you just see the tutorials on you tube and its features on their website.

Now to you dear professionals offer solutions.
please do not advise me on push2. please thank you.

[gexcube]

I use google translate to write in English, I speak only Italian. I'm sorry if I misspelled your English but you are on the right direction to help me.


NI Maschine:
it could create music with all the various effects immediately. (in association with Ableton Live); NI Maschine controller + vst dedicated + ableton live (ALL in association), you now have understood despite my wrong English.

That explains a lot. Google translate can translate the words very well, but often gets prepositions and word order wrong. This can totally change the meaning of sentences.

The Machine Controller without its software (either .vst or standalone) does nothing at all. You should not talk about them separately.
The Maschine software is basically a very simplified DAW. But it is one where you can do EVERYTHING with the controller (no mouse required).
This includes loading effects. Some of these effects are included in the Maschine software. (and they are rather good) But you can also load any of your effect .vsts.
You can also load in the same way samples (a lot of quite good samples come with the original purchase, some in the same manner can be bought later as machine extensions, and of course you can also load your own samples.
The same goes for instruments. (good ones included, any .vst can be loaded)

The browser in Maschine is VERY good and can be completely controlled from the controller.
You can also record samples with Maschine in a very fluid way, that lends itself for doing it live. (though that is more a Hip-Hop thing than Techno)

All of this loading, sequencing, changing of parameters, recording can be done simultaneously with anything you are doing in Ableton Live.
You can (and should) for instance get your APC40 problem solved and use it to control Live while you use the Maschine Controller for Maschine (running as a .vst within Live.)

I hope this cleared up what you wanted to know.

I personally think Maschine is exactly what you are looking for and would be a very good choice.

hello, how you can load VST instruments and VST effects; where? the vst inside NI MASCHINE hardware or NImaschine VST. insert a tutorial link please. thank you.
2) how it can be controlled by any controller? I've written. explained using examples. thank you.

[TomKern]

  I want the right combination and as midi controller with AUTOMATION on ableton live either as hardware in full AUTOMATION (it's the right word for remote script midi) with its VST in Ableton Live;
as Arturia Spark Creative Drum Machine "it is not for sale", you just see the tutorials on you tube and its features on their website.

If by automation you mean you want for instance your filter movements within the drum machine recorded into the Live arrangement view as an automation lane, then this is possible with Maschine, but it is not the default and it has to be set up by assigning the filter control first to a Macro within Maschine. This Macro can then be simply recorded into the arrangement or into Session clips.

It is not the most straightforward way and you only have 64 Macros in total in Maschine to assign, but it is functional enough and easy enough to set up for most use cases.

But you don't necessarily need to record it into arrangement. You can just record it into the patterns in Maschine and then you just trigger the patterns form the arrangement view. It's a bit less flexible, but much easier to use (no set up) and you have control over everything in Maschine this way.

And honestly, if you want everything to work as if it is Live itself, then yes, sorry Push is the best option you have.


Disclaimer: This is all knowledge from years of using Maschine MK1 with the original software. If some of these issues have been resolved in Maschine MKII or Maschine Studio, then I hope anyone familiar with them will correct this mistake.

[TomKern]

1)hello, how you can load VST instruments and VST effects; where? the vst inside NI MASCHINE hardware or NImaschine VST. insert a tutorial link please. thank you.
2) how it can be controlled by any controller? I've written. explained using examples. thank you.

1) The Maschine browser has access to the same .vst folder on your computer as Live does. You can load them within the Maschine software by using its browser directly from the Maschine controller. The Maschine hardware is just a Midi controller that controls the Maschine software. By itself it can run nothing.

2.) You want to control the Maschine software with a Midi controller that is not the Maschine controller? This is possible (in large parts), but I don't quite see why you would want to.

I don't use tutorials and don't save links to any even if I do. Do your own research.

But honestly I think your questions would be much better resolved by going out to your next music store that sells the Maschine and try it out in person.

[gexcube]

  I want the right combination and as midi controller with AUTOMATION on ableton live either as hardware in full AUTOMATION (it's the right word for remote script midi) with its VST in Ableton Live;
as Arturia Spark Creative Drum Machine "it is not for sale", you just see the tutorials on you tube and its features on their website.

If by automation you mean you want for instance your filter movements within the drum machine recorded into the Live arrangement view as an automation lane, then this is possible with Maschine, but it is not the default and it has to be set up by assigning the filter control first to a Macro within Maschine. This Macro can then be simply recorded into the arrangement or into Session clips.

It is not the most straightforward way and you only have 64 Macros in total in Maschine to assign, but it is functional enough and easy enough to set up for most use cases.

But you don't necessarily need to record it into arrangement. You can just record it into the patterns in Maschine and then you just trigger the patterns form the arrangement view. It's a bit less flexible, but much easier to use (no set up) and you have control over everything in Maschine this way.

And honestly, if you want everything to work as if it is Live itself, then yes, sorry Push is the best option you have.


Disclaimer: This is all knowledge from years of using Maschine MK1 with the original software. If some of these issues have been resolved in Maschine MKII or Maschine Studio, then I hope anyone familiar with them will correct this mistake.

you read this web pages:
you click the box in your browser is (you write automation).
laws and then you know what I'm looking for (this is a part for the effects for every sound that I'm going to create).
https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/marc-houle-buji-tek/


I've read about that on the website of 'akai its characteristics of APC40. I with the word (automap) had not misspelled, its meaning was correct, automation is the same thing. on the website it says precisely (pre-mapped), you can go on the web site that you will link and read (pre-mapped) then later you can also read what's written so you know exactly what we're talking about, just that you read the description. (What does it mean pre-mapped).
The APC40 comes pre-mapped for instant use with Ableton Live software, so if you're new to it, you'll find using the APC40 to be easy to get around on. And if you're an experienced Live user, you'll be happy to note That you can custom-map every single knob, button, and fader on the APC40 to completely customize the controls for the way you like to work.
The APC40 comes with Ableton Live Akai Professional APC40 Edition software, Which is fully functional for performance and production. Owners of standalone editions of Ableton Live 7 or 8 Also can work seamlessly with the APC40. Live 7 with the latest automatic update has full support for the APC40 and all versions of Live 8 are APC40-ready.

I WILL REQUEST to the support of NATIVE INSTRUMENTS.

if any of you know some other hardware come forward ...