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[yur2die4]

For almost all the hybrids currently in the market, they currently do not have faders. Only knows. The mpc might have faders.

I think in those cases you might be well suited to use one of the options plus an additional controller that has a nice fader/knob layout where they are mapped to preferred controls in the device.

In Maschine, something like this would get much more difficult in the scenario where you might be changing samples regularly. It might 'reset' the mappings sometimes. But there could be ways to do it without resetting the mappings.

Not sure how it works out on Arturia's software. Seems that they make up for it with the dedicated controls on the device (which is probably one of the features you're trying to point out).

I do have to say that with Maschine, when a sample is loaded you immediately have a decent number of parameters at your disposal for adjusting the sample. You've got a 'basic' compression knob and sample reduction and distortions without having to add additional effects, along with standard tuning and ADSR. But the problem is that these are laid out amongst multiple menus.

As for the APC 40, I am surprised that you are having trouble. I am still able to use mine. The number one issue I've seen people have with old APCs is the controls getting unstable and randomly moving. Also I guess some of Live's updates changed behavior of some controls (8 encoders) but I think they fixed that ...haven't actually tested that.

[TomKern]

you read this web pages:
you click the box in your browser is (you write automation).
laws and then you know what I'm looking for (this is a part for the effects for every sound that I'm going to create).
https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/marc-houle-buji-tek/


I've read about that on the website of 'akai its characteristics of APC40. I with the word (automap) had not misspelled, its meaning was correct, automation is the same thing. on the website it says precisely (pre-mapped), you can go on the web site that you will link and read (pre-mapped) then later you can also read what's written so you know exactly what we're talking about, just that you read the description. (What does it mean pre-mapped).
The APC40 comes pre-mapped for instant use with Ableton Live software, so if you're new to it, you'll find using the APC40 to be easy to get around on. And if you're an experienced Live user, you'll be happy to note That you can custom-map every single knob, button, and fader on the APC40 to completely customize the controls for the way you like to work.
The APC40 comes with Ableton Live Akai Professional APC40 Edition software, Which is fully functional for performance and production. Owners of standalone editions of Ableton Live 7 or 8 Also can work seamlessly with the APC40. Live 7 with the latest automatic update has full support for the APC40 and all versions of Live 8 are APC40-ready.

I WILL REQUEST to the support of NATIVE INSTRUMENTS.

if any of you know some other hardware come forward ...

This was not understandable.

In any case. The posts already written in this thread tell you everything you need to know.
Ask someone to translate them for you.

It seems you misunderstand the most fundamental issues. And not just because of the language.
It makes no sense to explain all these concepts via Google Translate.
I'm sure they have Ableton User Groups in Italy and I'm sure teachers exist as well. You should contact them.

Good luck.

[gexcube]

For almost all the hybrids currently in the market, they currently do not have faders. Only knows. The mpc might have faders.

I think in those cases you might be well suited to use one of the options plus an additional controller that has a nice fader/knob layout where they are mapped to preferred controls in the device.

In Maschine, something like this would get much more difficult in the scenario where you might be changing samples regularly. It might 'reset' the mappings sometimes. But there could be ways to do it without resetting the mappings.

Not sure how it works out on Arturia's software. Seems that they make up for it with the dedicated controls on the device (which is probably one of the features you're trying to point out).

I do have to say that with Maschine, when a sample is loaded you immediately have a decent number of parameters at your disposal for adjusting the sample. You've got a 'basic' compression knob and sample reduction and distortions without having to add additional effects, along with standard tuning and ADSR. But the problem is that these are laid out amongst multiple menus.

As for the APC 40, I am surprised that you are having trouble. I am still able to use mine. The number one issue I've seen people have with old APCs is the controls getting unstable and randomly moving. Also I guess some of Live's updates changed behavior of some controls (8 encoders) but I think they fixed that ...haven't actually tested that.

you have understood perfectly what I would like to buy in the future;
it is a hardware and / or midi controller pad / fader / konob also two controllers ...
to do this .. you wrote:
I do have to say That with Maschine, When a sample is loaded immediately you have a decent number of parameters at your disposal for adjusting the sample.

When a sample is loaded (all .wav files), Suffered to have a decent number of parameters available for the adjustment of the sample (effects).
this is the thing fondamente for my creations. (You are excellent understand me).
I know with this sentence I want to try to focus the right product for my needs .... I would like to list please just are all available ... thanks
p.s. NO ABLETON PUSH2.

[gexcube]

you read this web pages:
you click the box in your browser is (you write automation).
laws and then you know what I'm looking for (this is a part for the effects for every sound that I'm going to create).
https://www.ableton.com/en/blog/marc-houle-buji-tek/


I've read about that on the website of 'akai its characteristics of APC40. I with the word (automap) had not misspelled, its meaning was correct, automation is the same thing. on the website it says precisely (pre-mapped), you can go on the web site that you will link and read (pre-mapped) then later you can also read what's written so you know exactly what we're talking about, just that you read the description. (What does it mean pre-mapped).
The APC40 comes pre-mapped for instant use with Ableton Live software, so if you're new to it, you'll find using the APC40 to be easy to get around on. And if you're an experienced Live user, you'll be happy to note That you can custom-map every single knob, button, and fader on the APC40 to completely customize the controls for the way you like to work.
The APC40 comes with Ableton Live Akai Professional APC40 Edition software, Which is fully functional for performance and production. Owners of standalone editions of Ableton Live 7 or 8 Also can work seamlessly with the APC40. Live 7 with the latest automatic update has full support for the APC40 and all versions of Live 8 are APC40-ready.

I WILL REQUEST to the support of NATIVE INSTRUMENTS.

if any of you know some other hardware come forward ...

This was not understandable.

In any case. The posts already written in this thread tell you everything you need to know.
Ask someone to translate them for you.

It seems you misunderstand the most fundamental issues. And not just because of the language.
It makes no sense to explain all these concepts via Google Translate.
I'm sure they have Ableton User Groups in Italy and I'm sure teachers exist as well. You should contact them.

Good luck.

all people have realized that I do not speak your language and use google translate ... ok;
you pretend not to understand me;
I told you (please) if you can read the website that I linked to figure out the right word that you pretend not to understand:
1) AUTOMATION: it is a word that you should understand ... you should be a professional;
2) automap: You being a professional you should have understood right away what I wanted to say .. it is a popular word in music production;
3) I will ask support to those who sell the software ableton live in Italy;
Thanks for your help.

[TomKern]

all people have realized that I do not speak your language and use google translate ... ok;
you pretend not to understand me;

Yeah sure, I take all this time to write difficult explanations , because I'm an ass who PRETENDS to not understand you.
Think again.

1) AUTOMATION: it is a word that you should understand ... you should be a professional;

I'm pretty sure I understand the word. It's about you I'm not quite as certain.
One time you mean by automation that your Midi controller links perfectly to device controls, but another time it sounds more like you mean that you want automation in arrangement view. Btw. only the second use of automation is proper. The first one was me trying (hard) to make sense of what you wrote.

2) automap: You being a professional you should have understood right away what I wanted to say .. it is a popular word in music production;

Yes I understand that word. It is the name of a popular product by Novation. And nothing else.
I tried to make sense of what you wrote and guessed that you didn't mean the Novation product. And then I went on to describe what your problem was and that it had to do with Midi remote scripts. A word you apparently only learned today.
Which didn't stop you from accusing Ableton of unsavory business practices to blame them for this...



Btw, interesting that you don't know English enough to make yourself understood and save all of us a lot of time, but you apparently understand it enough to start a pissing match...

Oh and you're welcome

[gexcube]

all people have realized that I do not speak your language and use google translate ... ok;
you pretend not to understand me;

Yeah sure, I take all this time to write difficult explanations , because I'm an ass who PRETENDS to not understand you.
Think again.

1) AUTOMATION: it is a word that you should understand ... you should be a professional;

I'm pretty sure I understand the word. It's about you I'm not quite as certain.
One time you mean by automation that your Midi controller links perfectly to device controls, but another time it sounds more like you mean that you want automation in arrangement view. Btw. only the second use of automation is proper. The first one was me trying (hard) to make sense of what you wrote.

2) automap: You being a professional you should have understood right away what I wanted to say .. it is a popular word in music production;

Yes I understand that word. It is the name of a popular product by Novation. And nothing else.
I tried to make sense of what you wrote and guessed that you didn't mean the Novation product. And then I went on to describe what your problem was and that it had to do with Midi remote scripts. A word you apparently only learned today.
Which didn't stop you from accusing Ableton of unsavory business practices to blame them for this...



Btw, interesting that you don't know English enough to make yourself understood and save all of us a lot of time, but you apparently understand it enough to start a pissing match...

Oh and you're welcome

yur2die4 the boy, he understood me very well what I want to buy in the future.
I hope that other people will help me. thanks for your collaboration.

[yur2die4]

I'd like to point out that Maschine can work simultaneously as a controller for its integrated software, but also as a midi controller (hold shift and hit Midi).

When it is in midi control mode it can control Ableton Live instead of controlling the Maschine software.

There are two different midi modes to try but you have to decide one or the other because both would interfere. The nice thing is, because of how Maschine functions in midi mode you can save as many midi mapping templates for it as you want.

Native Instruments includes a way to install a 'control surface' with Maschine after you have downloaded their Controller Editor.

The 'buggy' option is mackie emulation. It is tempting because it displays the actual names of Ableton Live's devices on Maschine. For Operator you would see that the knob is controlling course or fine tuning of A or B and you would see the appropriate units. You can also page through these parameters to have full control of Ableton devices. It is nice but not necessarily recommended because in my experience it can sometimes freeze up and is not the most obvious to navigate.

The 'better' option acts as sort of a 'Push light'. You get Ableton mixer controls, clip launching from the pads or notes input from the pads with or without scales. You can navigate many aspects, do muting, etc etc etc. you also get the standard '8 encoders' control that is the same as with the APC for device control.

These are accessible immediately by switching Maschine to MIDI mode after having already set it up.

If you would like to know more info, I am sure they have a video and/or documentation with their Controller Editor (or from some tutorial websites). The controller editor can be downloaded for free from the NI site and can be used with all of NI's recent controller from the past 4 years.

I'll try to find a video showing this functionality.

A word of caution. Their 'control surface' script is not an Official Ableton control surface but still has incredible functionality. Because it is not official, any updates that are necessary are done by NI themselves. Sometimes it is not immediately that they come out with a new one. I think I'm the last year it has remained consistently functional. And for the past 5 years they have always released an update as they know that this is a strength for their market.

[yur2die4]

https://youtu.be/wltm3LhI66Q

This video is for Maschine Studio. There is also a video for the less expensive standard Maschine.

Also consider that there is now the Maschine Jam which is really nice and comes with all the Maschine software but it does not have the ability to 'load' samples from the device.

With standard Maschine or Maschine Studio, you can do a live improvisation directly from Maschine for most aspects. You'll be able to add/remove any and all devices from within Maschine (and it is very powerful. I haven't even begun to explain), and you can also control Live and Live's devices from your Maschine hardware. You won't be able to use Maschine hardware to load Ableton Live devices into Ableton Live, but you can pretty much Only do that with Push or Touchable (there is a way to do it also using the free Clyphx software).

Maschine is really fun to use both inside Ableton Live and on its own. The only limitations are that you have to page through things sometimes. But you can access almost Everything inside its own software through the hardware.

[gexcube]

I'd like to point out that Maschine can work simultaneously as a controller for its integrated software, but also as a midi controller (hold shift and hit Midi).

When it is in midi control mode it can control Ableton Live instead of controlling the Maschine software.

There are two different midi modes to try but you have to decide one or the other because both would interfere. The nice thing is, because of how Maschine functions in midi mode you can save as many midi mapping templates for it as you want.

Native Instruments includes a way to install a 'control surface' with Maschine after you have downloaded their Controller Editor.

The 'buggy' option is mackie emulation. It is tempting because it displays the actual names of Ableton Live's devices on Maschine. For Operator you would see that the knob is controlling course or fine tuning of A or B and you would see the appropriate units. You can also page through these parameters to have full control of Ableton devices. It is nice but not necessarily recommended because in my experience it can sometimes freeze up and is not the most obvious to navigate.

The 'better' option acts as sort of a 'Push light'. You get Ableton mixer controls, clip launching from the pads or notes input from the pads with or without scales. You can navigate many aspects, do muting, etc etc etc. you also get the standard '8 encoders' control that is the same as with the APC for device control.

These are accessible immediately by switching Maschine to MIDI mode after having already set it up.

If you would like to know more info, I am sure they have a video and/or documentation with their Controller Editor (or from some tutorial websites). The controller editor can be downloaded for free from the NI site and can be used with all of NI's recent controller from the past 4 years.

I'll try to find a video showing this functionality.

A word of caution. Their 'control surface' script is not an Official Ableton control surface but still has incredible functionality. Because it is not official, any updates that are necessary are done by NI themselves. Sometimes it is not immediately that they come out with a new one. I think I'm the last year it has remained consistently functional. And for the past 5 years they have always released an update as they know that this is a strength for their market.

OK thanks.
NI Maschine it will remain one more year of the update (you wrote)
what will happen to it in the future?
I hope you find the video tutorials ..

[yur2die4]

I do not mean 'one more year' of updates. I mean to say 'in the past year they have consistently updated'.

It means that they are actively updating Maschine and are nurturing a successful product with the intention of keeping it going for years to come. This is why they added Jam. It is a way to add even more to the product line using an already strong line of products.

I posted the video just above your comment. You may have missed it.

[gexcube]

I do not mean 'one more year' of updates. I mean to say 'in the past year they have consistently updated'.

It means that they are actively updating Maschine and are nurturing a successful product with the intention of keeping it going for years to come. This is why they added Jam. It is a way to add even more to the product line using an already strong line of products.

I posted the video just above your comment. You may have missed it.

ok it was very determined to answer me;
thanks for your suggestions.

[Khazul]

Ive been through quite a few drum machines over the years from standalone hardware drum machines from roland (my first was a TR606 back when they were new), elektron to akai mpc to dedicated controller hardware (Machine v1). I even had a TDK roland drum kit for a while and one of their hand percussion instruments as a means of recording live (rather than step sequenced) drums and percussion.

In the end, my weapon of choice these days is just good old ableton drum racks stuffed full of whatever (usually simplers or samplers if I need the more complex envelopes). When I find I actually need some pads to bang something in, then its usually a little akai LPD8 that gets the abuse, but more likely its just a plain midi keyboard. Mostly for manual entry and sequencing, I find nothing beats the simplicity of a Live clip + automation and nothing integrates as well into live as a drum rack.
I have quite a complex empty rack template that I use with the groupings and routing that I typically end up using, so that speeds thing up a lot. Probably 99% of the time I find simpler is good enough (Ive saved defaults to make that quick too). The remaining times its just a case of stacking something and occasionally I may even use another plugin inside a drum rack from D16 or NI etc.

I think use machine if you want to use machine stand-alone - perhaps it becomes your performance tool of choice. Some DJs I know use traktor but want some mpc style sequencing to go with it, so machine make sense for them.
But within live, I just cannot see much point in using anything else and even when I do, I just end up spending time wrapping whatever it is into a drum rack and external instruments.

[yur2die4]

What is your opinion of Push 2? It is very good for step sequencing, as pads, and for browsing samples to use in drum racks.

[Stromkraft]

In the end, my weapon of choice these days is just good old ableton drum racks stuffed full of whatever (usually simplers or samplers if I need the more complex envelopes).

Same here, Drum Machines (Tremor, Heartbeat, TR8, Tempest), A vast sample library in Simpler/Sampler and synths (Operator, Minilogue and Analog 4). To mix freely between them all is wonderful.

[yur2die4]

http://cdm.link/2017/01/new-mpcs-videos ... lips-work/

These are coming out soon. Oh boy