Chain selectors

[The legend 27]

Hi ableton folks,
I am new here. Hello there
If you have ever seen Shawn Wasabi, a popular midi controller artist, you know he uses something called the Midi Fighter 64. This midi controller is custom built.

If you look at his video titled "Marble soda", go to the description. Under more info, he says something about banks and what Ableton he was using. He says that the bottom 4 buttons on the bottom right are literally banks inside banks. Besides the button on the bottom right, I wanna know how to do this with a launchpad pro.

You may be thinking, its the hardware of the controller! Thats how it has banks inside banks! WRONG! If you look carefully at his other video, Burnt Rice, he has presses the buttons on the top right to change the banks inside banks.

If you are still not convinced, pay a visit to this site: http://djtechtools.com/2015/04/21/shawn ... l-edition/

If you look below the picture of the bubbles, look at the last paragraph of quotes. In the quotes, it says:
'In Ableton, I have banks within banks. I place drum racks within chain selectors within even more chain selectors. There are 5 buttons on the bottom of the Midi Fighter button layout that are mapped only to chain selectors. Everything else is mapped out to drum rack cells across several banks.” This basically means in ableton live, he has banks inside chain selectors within more chain selectors. And the 4 buttons trigger banks inside banks. The 5 button is to trigger the banks. I want to know if its possible to do it with the 4 buttons and use the pages, or use the 5 buttons. If I use the pages, the 4 buttons trigger banks inside pages. Please let me know if I can do this with the Launchpad Pro. Much appreciated.

Thanks,
The legend 27

[miyaru]

Thanx for sharing!!!

Miyaru.

[TomKern]

What is your question again?

Can you use buttons on the LP Pro to assign them to chain selectors?
I don't know why you couldn't.

[The legend 27]

What is your question again?

Can you use buttons on the LP Pro to assign them to chain selectors?
I don't know why you couldn't.

I mean how to you use the pads as banks inside pages. Essentially, its pages inside pages.

[TomKern]

What is your question again?

Can you use buttons on the LP Pro to assign them to chain selectors?
I don't know why you couldn't.

I mean how to you use the pads as banks inside pages. Essentially, its pages inside pages.

You have not cleared up anything. But I assume that you have a major misunderstanding. The chain selectors are part of Ableton Lives racks (Midi Effects, Audio effects, Instrument). So yes you can set up racks within racks within racks as deep as you would like and switch between them with the chain selectors. This has nothing whatsoever to do with what controller you use to control these chain selectors.

Taking this from your link:

In Ableton, I have banks within banks. I place drum racks within chain selectors within even more chain selectors. There are 5 buttons on the bottom of the Midi Fighter button layout that are mapped only to chain selectors. Everything else is mapped out to drum rack cells across several banks.”

So he has different layers of 64 drum rack pads to trigger. Each layer is a different Ableton Drum Rack.
And he switches between layers with buttons by switching the active drum rack via the chain selector of an instrument rack that houses these drum racks.

This is pretty straight forward, there is nothing advanced about it. And I don't see how you couldn't do that with the LP Pro. The only issue you would have to look into is to spread 5 buttons over the range of one Midi CC, so that each button selects a different chain on the same chain selector.

There’s plenty of 8 X 8 pad controllers out there, but none that have the insane responsiveness of the Midi Fighter controllers

This is pure marketing speak. The LP Pro is plenty responsive. And it has individual AT per pad. It also actually has additional buttons outside of the 8x8 grid that you can use for your chain selectors. 32 of them in fact. It's the better controller IMO.

[The legend 27]

What is your question again?

Can you use buttons on the LP Pro to assign them to chain selectors?
I don't know why you couldn't.

I mean how to you use the pads as banks inside pages. Essentially, its pages inside pages.

You have not cleared up anything. But I assume that you have a major misunderstanding. The chain selectors are part of Ableton Lives racks (Midi Effects, Audio effects, Instrument). So yes you can set up racks within racks within racks as deep as you would like and switch between them with the chain selectors. This has nothing whatsoever to do with what controller you use to control these chain selectors.

Well, if you know how to do it, answer my question and tell me how to do it...??? "You have not cleared everything up". Yet you know what the question is asking. That made completely no sense

Taking this from your link:

In Ableton, I have banks within banks. I place drum racks within chain selectors within even more chain selectors. There are 5 buttons on the bottom of the Midi Fighter button layout that are mapped only to chain selectors. Everything else is mapped out to drum rack cells across several banks.”

So he has different layers of 64 drum rack pads to trigger. Each layer is a different Ableton Drum Rack.
And he switches between layers with buttons by switching the active drum rack via the chain selector of an instrument rack that houses these drum racks.

This is pretty straight forward, there is nothing advanced about it. And I don't see how you couldn't do that with the LP Pro. The only issue you would have to look into is to spread 5 buttons over the range of one Midi CC, so that each button selects a different chain on the same chain selector.

There’s plenty of 8 X 8 pad controllers out there, but none that have the insane responsiveness of the Midi Fighter controllers

This is pure marketing speak. The LP Pro is plenty responsive. And it has individual AT per pad. It also actually has additional buttons outside of the 8x8 grid that you can use for your chain selectors. 32 of them in fact. It's the better controller IMO.

What you just said not only didn't help but it had nothing to do with anything. I asked how you can do it. You answered by telling stuff about marketing and that you can do it. I know you can do it. Im asking how. And, how can it be marketing if the creator isn't making anymore? You cleared nothing up but just made it worse.


Also, I have ableton live 9 lite. It isn't so simple assigning pages to buttons. You give it a try smart one.

[Stromkraft]

What you just said not only didn't help but it had nothing to do with anything. I asked how you can do it. You answered by telling stuff about marketing and that you can do it. I know you can do it. Im asking how. And, how can it be marketing if the creator isn't making anymore? You cleared nothing up but just made it worse.


Also, I have ableton live 9 lite. It isn't so simple assigning pages to buttons. You give it a try smart one.

Lite doesn't have chain selectors? I think it does. How about asking questions about racks instead of going on about pages? You already understand that in stacked racks lies the solution. So do you want it or not? Maybe you will have to do a little work yourself on focusing in on what's relevant.

Like for instance, how would you like it to work with your controller with what buttons and encoders, at what stage are you and what have you tried so far? Stuff like that. Don't refer to external sources only. We have music to make.

[TomKern]

What you just said not only didn't help but it had nothing to do with anything. I asked how you can do it. You answered by telling stuff about marketing and that you can do it. I know you can do it. Im asking how. And, how can it be marketing if the creator isn't making anymore? You cleared nothing up but just made it worse.

Wow, that was a bit unexpected.
I think the reason I cleared up nothing for you is because you are so far out your depth.
In reality my post contained all the information you need.

But I think you will not manage to solve the problem of assigning several buttons to one chainselector. That is not straight forward on the LP PRO, since all the buttons send on different MIDI CCs and there is no MIDI Controller program for it like for NI controllers.
Considering this you would have to go for mostly 2 layers max. (because each button sends on/off)
But not all hope is lost. In the Drum mode on the LP PRO, there are some buttons already assigned in the top row, for up/down. These can shift within the DrumRack and since each DrumRack can contain up to 128 Samples you can get pretty close in total (2 chains times 128 Samples).

Also, I have ableton live 9 lite. It isn't so simple assigning pages to buttons.

You mentioned nowhere that you only have lite and
I don't know exactly what lite contains, but if it doesn't contain racks than you simply can't do what you want to do.

Edit: I checked for you
Intro (which I assume you mean) has racks, so you are in the clear in this regard.

You give it a try smart one.

Anyways, it seems you don't want my help any longer, but good luck anyways.

[TomKern]

Don't refer to external sources only. We have music to make.

Amen to that!

[TomKern]

Ok, I feel particularily helpful today I guess, your petulant post notwithstanding. So here is a step-by step


-Make a new Midi track
-go to Lives Browser to "Instruments" and look for the DrumRack
- drag and drop that onto the Midi track
-select the title bar of the DrumRack and right click
-select "group" from the menu
- on the new Instrument Rack that appears, click on all three of the little circles in the right hand side so that you open the macro and mixer sections
-in the mixer section right click on the small title bar next to the volume lever it should say DrumRack
-choose "duplicate" from the menu
-now you have two chains both titled DrumRack (you may want to rename them to not get confused)
-now above the two chains there are 4 little buttons: key, vel, chain, hide --> click on chain
- you now see a scale from 0-127 and next to each Drumrack chain a little bar. Both bars are set at 0
- drag one of them with your mouse to the 1 position (without changing its size!)
- on the title bar of the Instrument rack there is a little button that says "map" -> click that
- now everything you will be able to map will be shaded in a different color.
-Click on the big shaded area on the 0-127 scale in the chain section
- next click the little map button under one of the macros of the Instrument rack (not the one on the title bar)
- the macro name should now have changed from "Macro 1" to "Chain selector" and the map button to unmap
- If it is not already open, open the mapping menu (the little triangle on the top right right below the "Tap" button that usually opens the browser)
- there you will see your new macro assignment named "Chain selector" and two fields. One probably reads 0 the other 127.
- change that to 0 and 1
- now click on the map button in the title bar of the Instrument rack again. The shading will go away.

Now when you turn that macro from 0 to full you will see the chain selector move by one. this changes which chain is active and thus which DrumRack receives Midi notes. Which in turn changes which DrumRacks samples you hear.


You could do that with up to 128 different chains, or with 5 like your link suggested. But the Midi CC problem I described above limits your ability to switch between them to two.


You are welcome

Edit: Ok bad news, I checked on the LP Pro and the buttons are unfortunately momentary and not toggle, meaning they just hold the second value while you actually hold the button down and revert back once you let it go.

There is a solution, which incidentally would also allow you to go to 5 different levels as you desired. But the solution is a bit more involved using clyphx, so I rather wait with a run thru until you managed the description above.

[The legend 27]

Ok, I feel particularily helpful today I guess, your petulant post notwithstanding. So here is a step-by step


-Make a new Midi track
-go to Lives Browser to "Instruments" and look for the DrumRack
- drag and drop that onto the Midi track
-select the title bar of the DrumRack and right click
-select "group" from the menu
- on the new Instrument Rack that appears, click on all three of the little circles in the right hand side so that you open the macro and mixer sections
-in the mixer section right click on the small title bar next to the volume lever it should say DrumRack
-choose "duplicate" from the menu
-now you have two chains both titled DrumRack (you may want to rename them to not get confused)
-now above the two chains there are 4 little buttons: key, vel, chain, hide --> click on chain
- you now see a scale from 0-127 and next to each Drumrack chain a little bar. Both bars are set at 0
- drag one of them with your mouse to the 1 position (without changing its size!)
- on the title bar of the Instrument rack there is a little button that says "map" -> click that
- now everything you will be able to map will be shaded in a different color.
-Click on the big shaded area on the 0-127 scale in the chain section
- next click the little map button under one of the macros of the Instrument rack (not the one on the title bar)
- the macro name should now have changed from "Macro 1" to "Chain selector" and the map button to unmap
- If it is not already open, open the mapping menu (the little triangle on the top right right below the "Tap" button that usually opens the browser)
- there you will see your new macro assignment named "Chain selector" and two fields. One probably reads 0 the other 127.
- change that to 0 and 1
- now click on the map button in the title bar of the Instrument rack again. The shading will go away.

Now when you turn that macro from 0 to full you will see the chain selector move by one. this changes which chain is active and thus which DrumRack receives Midi notes. Which in turn changes which DrumRacks samples you hear.


You could do that with up to 128 different chains, or with 5 like your link suggested. But the Midi CC problem I described above limits your ability to switch between them to two.


You are welcome

Edit: Ok bad news, I checked on the LP Pro and the buttons are unfortunately momentary and not toggle, meaning they just hold the second value while you actually hold the button down and revert back once you let it go.

There is a solution, which incidentally would also allow you to go to 5 different levels as you desired. But the solution is a bit more involved using clyphx, so I rather wait with a run thru until you managed the description above.

Well, thanks for doing what I asked
Ill try what is above. Can you please list the solution? Thanks.

[The legend 27]

Ok, I feel particularily helpful today I guess, your petulant post notwithstanding. So here is a step-by step


-Make a new Midi track
-go to Lives Browser to "Instruments" and look for the DrumRack
- drag and drop that onto the Midi track
-select the title bar of the DrumRack and right click
-select "group" from the menu
- on the new Instrument Rack that appears, click on all three of the little circles in the right hand side so that you open the macro and mixer sections
-in the mixer section right click on the small title bar next to the volume lever it should say DrumRack
-choose "duplicate" from the menu
-now you have two chains both titled DrumRack (you may want to rename them to not get confused)
-now above the two chains there are 4 little buttons: key, vel, chain, hide --> click on chain
- you now see a scale from 0-127 and next to each Drumrack chain a little bar. Both bars are set at 0
- drag one of them with your mouse to the 1 position (without changing its size!)
- on the title bar of the Instrument rack there is a little button that says "map" -> click that
- now everything you will be able to map will be shaded in a different color.
-Click on the big shaded area on the 0-127 scale in the chain section
- next click the little map button under one of the macros of the Instrument rack (not the one on the title bar)
- the macro name should now have changed from "Macro 1" to "Chain selector" and the map button to unmap
- If it is not already open, open the mapping menu (the little triangle on the top right right below the "Tap" button that usually opens the browser)
- there you will see your new macro assignment named "Chain selector" and two fields. One probably reads 0 the other 127.
- change that to 0 and 1
- now click on the map button in the title bar of the Instrument rack again. The shading will go away.

Now when you turn that macro from 0 to full you will see the chain selector move by one. this changes which chain is active and thus which DrumRack receives Midi notes. Which in turn changes which DrumRacks samples you hear.


You could do that with up to 128 different chains, or with 5 like your link suggested. But the Midi CC problem I described above limits your ability to switch between them to two.


You are welcome

Edit: Ok bad news, I checked on the LP Pro and the buttons are unfortunately momentary and not toggle, meaning they just hold the second value while you actually hold the button down and revert back once you let it go.

There is a solution, which incidentally would also allow you to go to 5 different levels as you desired. But the solution is a bit more involved using clyphx, so I rather wait with a run thru until you managed the description above.

I also have a question....
Since I cannot find the original project file and am currently using ableton live 9 trail, I really dont want to create a remake. Could you still assign it?
Thanks.

[TomKern]

I also have a question....
Since I cannot find the original project file and am currently using ableton live 9 trail, I really dont want to create a remake. Could you still assign it?
Thanks.

So you just want to reuse they guys work? And you don't even care about it enough to not lose the project file?

And which is it now Live Intro or the trial?

Sorry I'm not gonna waste any more time on someone who isn't even sure yet if he wants to work with Live and is just a lazy copy cat to boot.

Well, thanks for doing what I asked.

The balls....

[Stromkraft]

Ok, I feel particularily helpful today I guess, your petulant post notwithstanding. So here is a step-by step

Great work for the community, Tom! Much appreciated by some I'm sure.

[TomKern]

Ha, appreciated

If someone shows up, who knows not to piss on people he/she needs help off, I will certainly give a detailed run down of how to use clyphx to use 5 buttons to jump to 5 different values of the same parameter.

(Stromkraft, I'm pretty sure you already know how that's done)