Bit of politics? Lovely......

[noisetonepause]

You cannot believe in one figure (god) and discredit the other (satan) as fictional.

Manichaeic bollocks.

There is no such thing as evil.

Just like there is no god.
It's all bollocks really.

Have to disagree there...

[udp]

1)You didn't add in medicare and medicaid and welfare and farm subsidies, nor socialised education, nor socialised arts programming (I'm still torn on that one),ect, ect, that is not defined in the constitution as being a responsibility of the FEDERAL Government.
2) The science behind the THEORY that man is responsible for any global climate change is arrogant and unclear. The earth is warming, but it does so periodically like before the last ice age. I do think it is responsible practice to have air pollution under control, but I don't believe man can significantly change the atmosphere. If we could then we could've steered Hurricame Katrina away.
3) All these conspiracies are entertaining, but I no more believe them than I do the science behind the global warming crowd, it's all political crap.
4) I don't own a gun and never will. If I need to defend my family I will do so by other means. The United States and Spain and Great Britain and Indonesia and Morroco and Algeirs and.....were all attacked by an identifiable foe, they should persue that foe and render it null and void. Sometimes it is not violence that ends a dispute, but usually that is when no violence has already occured. Such was the case with U.S. and Soviet relations, all puffing smoke and no fire. I believe that will be the case with North Korea and other nation states. Al Queda has no representitives at the UN and never will because they don't negotiate, they only wish to kill us all.
5) Smile have a good night.

1. I was answering another question and did so accurately
2. Climate change is caused by man made pollutants. Do the research. Your argument about Katrina is completely illogical. Just because we cannot control hurricanes does not mean we cannot accdentally pollute the atmosphere so much the climate changes. Think about it.
4. Your argument is so contradictory. For starters you are a pacifist but are happy to have violence used on your behalf?
5. You too.

Whether answering another question or not, to leave out all of the other safety net expenditures which are MANDATORY in the budget, BUT NOT FEDERAL ISSUES IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, is misleading. You've never address my constitutional argument,, I suspect that is because it is irrefutable.

On a more interesting topic. If the science behind the Global Warming crowd is so solid, then please answer 2 questions for me. 1) Why do old growth trees show cycles of decades long warm periods before the industrial revolution. 2) How does man made global warming defy the gas cycle (evaporation, condensation,ect.)

I'm not a pacifist. I did, however, think of an instance where violence occured and peace now exists. Northern Ireland. It does seem to have broken the mold and hopefully will continue in peace.

[fsk]

for the last say 8 years, I've read and had a knowledge of "illuminati", "skull n bones", "priory of sion" "Templars etc. It actually all started when I played the game "Broken Sword". Im 23 now and feel Im old enough to make my own decision, which I wont make public here. Let's just say I dont think everything is as simple as Black and White.

[computo]

Yep, their all just gangsters...

In fact, I think it may have been the Kennedy family who made their money in past times selling alcohol.

Alcohol, huh? Yeah, thats pretty scandalous, considering the Bush family's fortune was made betting on the Nazis!! Not to mention all of their friends from the Skull and Bones, who made their fortunes on say, HEROIN.

Alcohol. Laughable.

considering your wanting to buy a gun I would say your pretty laughable. Are you going to keep it next to your laptop?

please elaborate.

[Macrostructure]

Whether answering another question or not, to leave out all of the other safety net expenditures which are MANDATORY in the budget, BUT NOT FEDERAL ISSUES IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, is misleading. You've never address my constitutional argument,, I suspect that is because it is irrefutable.

On a more interesting topic. If the science behind the Global Warming crowd is so solid, then please answer 2 questions for me. 1) Why do old growth trees show cycles of decades long warm periods before the industrial revolution. 2) How does man made global warming defy the gas cycle (evaporation, condensation,ect.)

I'm not a pacifist. I did, however, think of an instance where violence occured and peace now exists. Northern Ireland. It does seem to have broken the mold and hopefully will continue in peace.

The question was about Social Security, I replied about Social security using data from the US Government website. If you don't like it, post some numerical corrections instead of moaning.

Human induced climate change - it is encouraging to see that you think you know better than all the signatories to the Kyoto protocol.
http://www.ace.mmu.ac.uk/eae/Global_War ... ction.html
Tell you what, despite the fact that human activity produces gases that are known to have greenhouse effects in quantities that are known to be effective and which are now found at raised levels throughout the atmosphere, and despite the fact that the worlds climate is changing, and despite the fact that millions of people in the world are facing climate change induced hardship, and despite the fact that this will get worse to the point where millions die, despite all that, just because you have heard that some scientist somewhere is not conviced it's human-induced, you carry on in your own sweet way, doing nothing about it and rubbishing other peoples attempts to save your sorry ass. That's really helpful.
Look at the weather on the TV and the smokestacks pumping out C02. It's not rocket science dude.

It's a planet, not a dustbin

Northern Ireland has just seen it's worst violence in 30 years http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4234626.stm

You should research before you write.

[12micsn1]

Since this a Ableton Live forum for most musicians an not politics. I have to ask you this questionsince you post this topic for discussion. What is your point behind these numbers? I would like to know more about the country your from an your political beliefs. It would seem you have a agenda behind this topic. Do you seriously want to talk about the numbers or terrorism?

We are humble bees who live in hamony within our own little hives. Every little humble bee knows we live with the killer bees amongst us who are very angry an want to strike at will but remained subdued for the time being. All humbles bees know the importance of defense to the trouble that lurks out there.

I post to disseminate information that I think more people should be aware of. The point is that with the so called "war on terror" we are fighting a war that we are fuelling at the same time, and it is ordinary truly innocent people who are suffering while the weapons manufacturers (aka politicians with boardroom seats) get richer. It is utterly monstrous.
I am from the UK and my political stance is Green and radical. Of course I have an agenda. You are reading part of it.
I'm quite happy to talk about both or neither. I'm trying to disseminate information and actually I don't think the talking does much good on here, it's the talking people do in their own minds afterwards using data they see on here that really matters when it comes to changing people's opinions. The actual talking tends to just be an exchange of entrenched viewpoints.

"Defence" is a euphemism. I don't see any defense going on at all. I see invasion for oil. You know that. And please save the bee talk, I'm not 5

If you want to hear or see this view of mine it might be very disturbing one. I dont think most people will ever grasp the a full understanding of terrorism. One acception, that it kills people being in the wrong place and the wrong time with extreme prejudice. The War on Terrorism being about oil is the wrong belief in my opinion. I almost wish it was really that easy to put blame where it is do, Unfortunately, the problem of today has its roots in the beginning of som religions.

The truth is, the Western world is facing a silent and deadly war on our civilization in the name of religion (spiritual and non-spiritual) in all its forms. The radical believers of faith have become unpeaceful and corrupt with the many different interpretations of Gods teachings. In order to change the course of events in this world we all live in. This type of radical person or group really sees every person who is not spiritually and morally right with God and the prophets as infidels (unclean and unholy). Now these people feel God has made them destined to act out loud with a serious need of violent persuation to force change the infidels ways. This means by all means necessary to achieve the goal in order to change the hearts and minds of those who witness the victims of a violent reprisal.

The West has mostly become morally bankrupt in these believers eyes since the 1960's. By leaving the church in mass numbers an allowing a civilization and life style of sin to be taken over from liberal and leftist views. Theres plenty of evidence of what moral bankruptcy and sin mean in the Bible and Koran. This has allowed radical people to form groups who think similar in there views on the West to form and impose there opinions on to you in a less then peaceful manner. The other evidence is from history of events that has allowed the act of terrorism as the means of making redical reforms on the West. The story wont end anytime soon.

[noisetonepause]

On a more interesting topic. If the science behind the Global Warming crowd is so solid, then please answer 2 questions for me. 1) Why do old growth trees show cycles of decades long warm periods before the industrial revolution. 2) How does man made global warming defy the gas cycle (evaporation, condensation,ect.)

This does not change the fact that carbons which have been out of the carbon cycle for ages are now being pumped back into that cycle. It's only logical that this will affect it in some way.

It's true though that Earth's climate is a chaotic system, ie. there are so many variables involved that it's impossible with today's technology to make a model of it that irrefutable proves what the effects are - in my opinion, though, I think I owe it to my unborn children that we try to be safe rather than sorry.

-Paws

[noisetonepause]

If you want to hear or see this view of mine it might be very disturbing one. I dont think most people will ever grasp the a full understanding of terrorism. One acception, that it kills people being in the wrong place and the wrong time with extreme prejudice. The War on Terrorism being about oil is the wrong belief in my opinion. I almost wish it was really that easy to put blame where it is do, Unfortunately, the problem of today has its roots in the beginning of som religions.

The truth is, the Western world is facing a silent and deadly war on our civilization in the name of religion (spiritual and non-spiritual) in all its forms. The radical believers of faith have become unpeaceful and corrupt with the many different interpretations of Gods teachings. In order to change the course of events in this world we all live in. This type of radical person or group really sees every person who is not spiritually and morally right with God and the prophets as infidels (unclean and unholy). Now these people feel God has made them destined to act out loud with a serious need of violent persuation to force change the infidels ways. This means by all means necessary to achieve the goal in order to change the hearts and minds of those who witness the victims of a violent reprisal.

The West has mostly become morally bankrupt in these believers eyes since the 1960's. By leaving the church in mass numbers an allowing a civilization and life style of sin to be taken over from liberal and leftist views. Theres plenty of evidence of what moral bankruptcy and sin mean in the Bible and Koran. This has allowed radical people to form groups who think similar in there views on the West to form and impose there opinions on to you in a less then peaceful manner. The other evidence is from history of events that has allowed the act of terrorism as the means of making redical reforms on the West. The story wont end anytime soon.

I just can't take it, mate, I really can't.

Your views are Eurocentric, simplistic, and bordering the (in my amateur opinion) pathologically paranoid. What's more your English is appaling. Trying to smarten up your language when you don't know what half the words you use mean is a bad idea. To begin with you should keep it simple, maybe do a bit of studying. It makes you look like less of an idiot, and to be completely blunt, mate, you're not doing too well in that department as it is.

Forever arrogant,
-Paws

PS: If English is your second or third language, let me offer half an apology. Only, your spelling and grammar are, granted, marginally better than most foreigners so I'm assuming it's not.

[computo]

Alcohol, huh? Yeah, thats pretty scandalous, considering the Bush family's fortune was made betting on the Nazis!! Not to mention all of their friends from the Skull and Bones, who made their fortunes on say, HEROIN.

Alcohol. Laughable.

considering your wanting to buy a gun I would say your pretty laughable. Are you going to keep it next to your laptop?

please elaborate.

Oh I see, you just talk shit. Figures. Step aside lad.

[udp]

Whether answering another question or not, to leave out all of the other safety net expenditures which are MANDATORY in the budget, BUT NOT FEDERAL ISSUES IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, is misleading. You've never address my constitutional argument,, I suspect that is because it is irrefutable.

On a more interesting topic. If the science behind the Global Warming crowd is so solid, then please answer 2 questions for me. 1) Why do old growth trees show cycles of decades long warm periods before the industrial revolution. 2) How does man made global warming defy the gas cycle (evaporation, condensation,ect.)

I'm not a pacifist. I did, however, think of an instance where violence occured and peace now exists. Northern Ireland. It does seem to have broken the mold and hopefully will continue in peace.

The question was about Social Security, I replied about Social security using data from the US Government website. If you don't like it, post some numerical corrections instead of moaning.

Human induced climate change - it is encouraging to see that you think you know better than all the signatories to the Kyoto protocol.
http://www.ace.mmu.ac.uk/eae/Global_War ... ction.html
Tell you what, despite the fact that human activity produces gases that are known to have greenhouse effects in quantities that are known to be effective and which are now found at raised levels throughout the atmosphere, and despite the fact that the worlds climate is changing, and despite the fact that millions of people in the world are facing climate change induced hardship, and despite the fact that this will get worse to the point where millions die, despite all that, just because you have heard that some scientist somewhere is not conviced it's human-induced, you carry on in your own sweet way, doing nothing about it and rubbishing other peoples attempts to save your sorry ass. That's really helpful.
Look at the weather on the TV and the smokestacks pumping out C02. It's not rocket science dude.

It's a planet, not a dustbin

Northern Ireland has just seen it's worst violence in 30 years http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4234626.stm

You should research before you write.

You didn't answer a single question. On either topic. I didn't moan I simply pointed out an oversight.

I thought you might be the first to enlighten me, I was wrong. the fact remains that the earth warmed and cooled itself long before man ever existed. It is arrogant and foolish to think we can destroy what we didn't put here.

I'm saddened to hear that Northern Ireland isn't maintaining its peace.

[12micsn1]

If you want to hear or see this view of mine it might be very disturbing one. I dont think most people will ever grasp the a full understanding of terrorism. One acception, that it kills people being in the wrong place and the wrong time with extreme prejudice. The War on Terrorism being about oil is the wrong belief in my opinion. I almost wish it was really that easy to put blame where it is do, Unfortunately, the problem of today has its roots in the beginning of som religions.

The truth is, the Western world is facing a silent and deadly war on our civilization in the name of religion (spiritual and non-spiritual) in all its forms. The radical believers of faith have become unpeaceful and corrupt with the many different interpretations of Gods teachings. In order to change the course of events in this world we all live in. This type of radical person or group really sees every person who is not spiritually and morally right with God and the prophets as infidels (unclean and unholy). Now these people feel God has made them destined to act out loud with a serious need of violent persuation to force change the infidels ways. This means by all means necessary to achieve the goal in order to change the hearts and minds of those who witness the victims of a violent reprisal.

The West has mostly become morally bankrupt in these believers eyes since the 1960's. By leaving the church in mass numbers an allowing a civilization and life style of sin to be taken over from liberal and leftist views. Theres plenty of evidence of what moral bankruptcy and sin mean in the Bible and Koran. This has allowed radical people to form groups who think similar in there views on the West to form and impose there opinions on to you in a less then peaceful manner. The other evidence is from history of events that has allowed the act of terrorism as the means of making redical reforms on the West. The story wont end anytime soon.

I just can't take it, mate, I really can't.

Your views are Eurocentric, simplistic, and bordering the (in my amateur opinion) pathologically paranoid. What's more your English is appaling. Trying to smarten up your language when you don't know what half the words you use mean is a bad idea. To begin with you should keep it simple, maybe do a bit of studying. It makes you look like less of an idiot, and to be completely blunt, mate, you're not doing too well in that department as it is.

Forever arrogant,
-Paws

PS: If English is your second or third language, let me offer half an apology. Only, your spelling and grammar are, granted, marginally better than most foreigners so I'm assuming it's not.

Please leave all comments on my English grammar at the front desk. While you were being arrogant an living in your dark hole as a troll. I went out into the forest an started gathering wood instead i saw some killer bees destroying some European bees in a awful manner to be able describe. When i said,"the war on terrorism is really the war on religion and western civilization" you just dont get it, do you? In Napolean Dynamites best words "YOU IDIOT!!! God, why do i have to put up with it?" Let me haunt you forever wih images an let you hear the voices behind the evil.

http://www.nomullas.com/beheadings.html
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... ront/view/
http://store.aetv.com/html/cat_prod_lis ... tid=288669
http://www.libertyunites.tv/msearch-key ... ideos.html
http://www.podcast.net/show/31419
http://www.here-now.org/shows/2005/08/20050825_5.asp

[mike holiday]

The lack of mentioning the illuminati in these kind of subjects, always strikes me as odd.

Is almost everybody ignorant to that subject?
Or am i just an idiot who has read a bit too many conspiracy theory's?

http://www.gunsanddope.com/


LOL don't know if you ever read "The Illuminattus Trilogy"
it was really ment to be fiction but alot of the follow up works by the author is really interesting

[Machinesworking]

I went out into the forest an started gatering wood insteadi saw some killer bees destroying some European bees in a awful manner to be able describe. When i said,"the war on terrorism is really the war on religion and western civilization" you just dont get it, do you?

Hey, just to elaborate a bit. Look into the whole situation in the middle east before passing judgement on their religion, take into account the massive restructuring and political manuvering that the west has done to the area, many years before the sixties and the "decadent westerner" attitude of some fundamentalist muslims!

Most arab people do not hate western people, they hate our governments direct involvement in things like the overthrow of an elected leader in Iran in the fifties, and support of the hopelessly corrupt Saudi king.

The beheadings, Ok so a few men get ceremoniously killed in response to what many consider an invasion, it's terrible. What I would like to know is do you think it's terrible that children were killed invading Iraq by western forces? Do you think the mother of dead children appreciate that they live under a "democratic" rule?

Terrorism, all you can do is slow down terrorism, by stopping large cells from forming, and looking into whether or not your own government is to blame for the anger of the "terrorists"!! People get all pissed off when this is pointed out, we quickly are able to justify the deaths of children when it comes to "liberating Iraq", but are angered when our own people are hurt. It's bullshit.
An ex general in the US military said a few weeks after 911, that we need to look into the reasons why these people are mad, that "One sides Boston Tea Party, is another sides act of terrorism".

You're wrong about the religious element, yes that makes for better soldiers on both sides, that arabs are mainly Muslim, and western people are mainly Christian,
but no, it really has nothing to do with 911, and the Iraqi insurgents, it's a very simple feeling that they do not in fact have control over their own politics and economy, that we in the west are in control, and they are right, we are.
That martyrdom is part of the fundamentalist movement in the muslim religion is just an added bonus for the spoiled little rich kids like Bin Ladin who want to go down in the history books.

Anyway , you should look into this a little closer before writing it off as a question of religious belief.

[12micsn1]

I went out into the forest an started gatering wood insteadi saw some killer bees destroying some European bees in a awful manner to be able describe. When i said,"the war on terrorism is really the war on religion and western civilization" you just dont get it, do you?

Hey, just to elaborate a bit. Look into the whole situation in the middle east before passing judgement on their religion, take into account the massive restructuring and political manuvering that the west has done to the area, many years before the sixties and the "decadent westerner" attitude of some fundamentalist muslims!

Most arab people do not hate western people, they hate our governments direct involvement in things like the overthrow of an elected leader in Iran in the fifties, and support of the hopelessly corrupt Saudi king.



The beheadings, Ok so a few men get ceremoniously killed in response to what many consider an invasion, it's terrible. What I would like to know is do you think it's terrible that children were killed invading Iraq by western forces? Do you think the mother of dead children appreciate that they live under a "democratic" rule?

Terrorism, all you can do is slow down terrorism, by stopping large cells from forming, and looking into whether or not your own government is to blame for the anger of the "terrorists"!! People get all pissed off when this is pointed out, we quickly are able to justify the deaths of children when it comes to "liberating Iraq", but are angered when our own people are hurt. It's bullshit.
An ex general in the US military said a few weeks after 911, that we need to look into the reasons why these people are mad, that "One sides Boston Tea Party, is another sides act of terrorism".

You're wrong about the religious element, yes that makes for better soldiers on both sides, that arabs are mainly Muslim, and western people are mainly Christian,
but no, it really has nothing to do with 911, and the Iraqi insurgents, it's a very simple feeling that they do not in fact have control over their own politics and economy, that we in the west are in control, and they are right, we are.
That martyrdom is part of the fundamentalist movement in the muslim religion is just an added bonus for the spoiled little rich kids like Bin Ladin who want to go down in the history books.

Anyway , you should look into this a little closer before writing it off as a question of religious belief.[/quote

Wrong about the religious element? Your really killing me with that one. Im offended by that statement, an the fact that you did little research or studying at all to argue your opinion with such complete blind stupidity. Your completely whitewashed on the subject, an you have the slightest of understanding of Islam an what the Koran really says. Or the history before the so called War on Terrorism ever existence. You really do come off like generalists with the lack of supportive evidence to back your analysis of my point of view. Im going to bring up the topic "beheadings" an suggest you read this an then argue the religous element. Honestly, the information your getting isnt the same to where Im getting mine.

http://www.meforum.org/article/713

[noisetonepause]

"Promoting American Interests". And you accept this is as gospel?

Just. Stop. Please.