(off topic) Is reason somewhat redundant if you own reaktor?

[Machinate]

hmm. Although slightly perhaps slightly too apples-and-orangesey, this debate is also quite subjective. I can tell you one thing though: a simple saw+filter sounds a heck of a lot better in reaktor than in reason, if you ask me. But all things being equal it's pretty much down to whether you want the sonic flexibility of Reaktor, or the ease of use with reason. Still IMO, Oh, and also wild synthesis/resynthesis vs. rompler.
The Reaktor user library recently reached the 2000 patch mark - the newest synth uploads are here and there are some pretty damned decent ones among them, if you ask me.

Just one last point here, is that the whole combi-thing also applies to reaktor - load up some synths and fx, string them together - albeit sans fancy animated cables - and drag a midi clip from the to the live browser. Saved.

BTW; There seem to be quite a few live+reaktor users here. Do any of you sequence tracks only using reaktor stuff? trading tracks would be easy if you did...

[Machinate]

Reaktor is the sound designers dream with a learning curve steeper than the North face of the Eiger.

there is a bit of a learning curve, yes... if you want to build your own synths! But I think only a small percentage of reaktor users are doing that. The learning curve for loading synths in reaktor is not steep, downloading new synths from the user lib is also easy, patching them together is in most cases even easier than in reason, because you can see both patchpoints most of the time, you don't have to scroll through a dozen pages of fake fans and serialnumbers;)

I think many people shy away from reaktor, thinking it's too difficult to get started... I don't think so at all.

As far as Reasons synths sounding outdated - is the Minimoog outdated? The Korg MS20?

eh? Have you heard a proper minimoog or ms20 emulation in reason? I haven't. And although reason is nice and all, this comparison is a bit over the top, even for me. As far as emulations go, well:
Here
here
here
and of course:
here!

*crawls back under rock*

[lstark]

I'm not a synthesis expert, and I tend to use presets and tweak them a bit. (*gasp* the horror! ) I've never used Reaktor, but I do own and use Reason. It may not be to your tastes, but listen to this as you read:

http://starkaudio.com/music/Runnin2.mp3

It's mostly tweaked presets with a couple samples I did myself. It's entirely done in Reason. I don't think the software you use determines how "good" your music is.

(Good meaning, you're happy with it.)

Alternatively, this was also done with Reason, all samples:

http://starkaudio.com/music/AHD1m35.mp3

I think you should try both demos, listen to music others have done with each package, and go with the one that interests you most. Which one excites your creative side. Don't get stuck in what I call "technology lock" where you spend all your time arguing the merits of software/gear and don't actually write anything.



EDIT: And in response to your QUESTION (Duh me...)

Buy Reaktor if it excites your creativity. *But* I don't think you can sell your license to Reason. It would be illegal. Check the EULA.

Good luck!

[forge]

. *But* I don't think you can sell your license to Reason. It would be illegal. Check the EULA.

!

you can - I have, and I had no problem getting a reasonable price either

[rikhyray]

I have basicly decided to put off buying some other synths to give my cash to the big NI monster. And in working through the pros and cons of different software I was doing some very serious listening to different synths trying to figure out what ones sounds are more valuble to me. And keepiing on track here I have to say that I rely dont like the way reason sounds most of the time. All i have been using it for is the RDK drum kit and the sampler. It seems to me that subtractor has a pretty harsh quality to it that I dont like. Dont get me wrong I like cutting sounds but it is just kida nasty in the high end. I enjoy malstrom much more but is there rely things that it can do that i cant get out of Reaktor? I was thinking of selling my copy of reason and picking up a VST sampler of some kind.

Just looking for input from others.

Just like you I used reason for RDK only and a bit of other things, not much. I associate Reason (and Rebirth) with the sound of IT student who thinks having some cracks of music software makes him a producer. Even some musically very professional examples ( reason demo songs- so cheeeesy) fail to please me it, all sounded like "Reason", great sketches of ideas but "how" it all sounded...reasonish ( though even the old Reason was used in some amazingly good sounding productions, specially for TV; movies and ads). It all changed with version 3, now users abilities are the limit. So my advice if you dont want to upgrade to 3 better sell it and get something you like better. Personally I am not big fan of NI but there is lots of good sounding software Arthuria, Korg Legacy ( great deals recently 40% off the price). Since you are familiar with Reason upgrading to 3 might be more sensible solution. In the end it is the user, how many listenable music is there- from NI or Reason- 1% or 5%, these companies make money on talentless with money. The ones with abilities will do it with whatever NI, Reason, Korg or forks and plates if the power is off. My personal way to get any instrument is to get impressed on the first sight ( hear) if it does not happen I forget about it. If you love that Reaktor or whatever , go for it. Instrument must inspire you, not what people on the forums say, or company`s ad.

[digger]

Digital Village has Reaktor Session including upgrade to Reaktor 5 for £199 if that helps your decision any
well it helped mine cuz I am off to buy it after work!
J.J.

[clipperer]

the sound is what you make it, i dont find reasonish sound or liveish sound or whatever.
reason i great, it has a ql sequenser too.
you could make great songs with simple sound editor too....

[lstark]

. *But* I don't think you can sell your license to Reason. It would be illegal. Check the EULA.

!

you can - I have, and I had no problem getting a reasonable price either

My mistake. Don't sell your 1.x license if you want to keep using 3.x.

[atomic]

As far as Reasons synths sounding outdated - is the Minimoog outdated? The Korg MS20?

eh? Have you heard a proper minimoog or ms20 emulation in reason? I haven't. And although reason is nice and all, this comparison is a bit over the top, even for me. As far as emulations go, well:
Here
here
here
and of course:
here!

*crawls back under rock*[/quote]

Firstly do you think compairing analog gear to old software a reasonable compairison? I personaly dont at all and I am all about the digital "revolution".

Hey Machinate them links look sick! I am tyring not to go running to the store to pick up reaktor as I type this.

There are many interesting posts here. As far as I can tell there is nothing in reaktor that would replace the NNXT sampler in reason. Am i wrong? It seems to me that NI would not like it to much if folks started making things that would replace there sampling line of products.

any thoughts on this?

[Machinate]

you're right on the money there. I think you can get a pretty decent discount on kontakt if you get Reaktor

[atomic]

you're right on the money there. I think you can get a pretty decent discount on kontakt if you get Reaktor

hmmm sounds interesting! I am going to look into that right now.

[DubGusset]

Personally i think Rembrandt's look better than Picasso's. And i've got studies done on the paint that proves it.

C

[D K]

but do you like rembrandts' style of workflow more than picassos'?

d

[rikhyray]

Check Marco`s sounds done with/for Reason : http://www.reasonbanks.com/CMF1.html
If you find them poor get NI or whatever. I am very critical but already ordered them after listening.

[atomic]

Personally i think Rembrandt's look better than Picasso's. And i've got studies done on the paint that proves it.

C

LOL exactly. I did not ask if one was "better" than the other.