Is it Illegal to make music with the Live Demo?

Montonn · Post by **Montonn** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:18 am

With all this crazy talk on property rights and laws here and there dictating what's right and wrong. I just wanted to check and see if using the Live Demo to make music is ok. The user agreement might have said something about not redistributing the demo, but I don't remember anything about the rights to the music made from the demo software.
I'm still waiting to upgrade to Live 5 from Live 3, but I've been able to get my work done with just the demo.
Any legal advice much appreciated.

stereomike · Post by **stereomike** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:23 am

I don't think so dude. How is anyone going to prove you used a demo version of a software to make your music?

sqook · Post by **sqook** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 9:51 am

stereomike wrote:I don't think so dude. How is anyone going to prove you used a demo version of a software to make your music?

A friend of mine used the pluggo demo to produce tracks and loops. Whenever it makes that hissing noise in the demo, it just gets looped and sounds really cool. Who would have guessed?

conny · Post by **conny** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:25 am

Is it illegal to continue using Live once you are dead?

Sorry, bad attempt to joke.
Guess many of us use demo versions of plugins etc.
I sampled sounds from demo of Vokal and used in a song.
Can't see any legal problem, or maybe I'm just naive.

// C

chis · Post by **chis** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 12:35 pm

I'm not speaking for the Ableton guys here, this is more my observations and opinions: if you want to make music using demo software, that's fine. You still own the rights to the music you've made, but the moment you go professional and start gigging, selling your music... well... you're being damn cheap if you're still using demo software by that point.

minimal · Post by **minimal** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 2:25 pm

chis wrote:I'm not speaking for the Ableton guys here, this is more my observations and opinions: if you want to make music using demo software, that's fine. You still own the rights to the music you've made, but the moment you go professional and start gigging, selling your music... well... you're being damn cheap if you're still using demo software by that point.

you are more of a genius if you can produce music without being able to save your stuff, as the limitation of lots of demos is save...

chis · Post by **chis** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 4:11 pm

Hey, don't ask me! It's Montonn running demo software! I did actually buy a copy of Live 4...

Robert Henke · Post by **Robert Henke** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 7:37 pm

Okay, here comes the official answer:

******** I T _ I S _ L E G A L *********

And, as minimal pointed out, if you can make use of Live without saving, you are indeed a genius

Once you feel like buying it, we are happy to welcome you as a new customer.

Best,
Robert Henke
Ableton

motionsiren · Post by **motionsiren** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:00 pm

This thread is pretty much over. It's definitely not Illegal.

When Rebirth had ther 15min demo limit, i'd bust in there, hit record on my tape deck and bang out beats till the app disabled and closed.

I put out 5 tapes like that.

If there is a clause in the license agreement, it should be fought.

EDIT: If there *ever* is a clause in s/the/*any* audio software license agreement, it should be fought.

hambone1 · Post by **hambone1** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:07 pm

Only bad music...

motionsiren · Post by **motionsiren** » Fri Sep 30, 2005 11:12 pm

hambone1 wrote:Only bad music...

OOHHH!!!!

Montonn · Post by **Montonn** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 12:27 am

Thank you for the official answer, Mr. Henke. By the way, I really enjoyed your set at PS-1 last (last) month.

I mainly use live 3 but when I need to utilize some of the new features, I just open up my 5 demo, and Tapeit. No need to save sessions when you can save audio : ). I hope to pick up my copy of 5 soon though. Thanks again everyone.

3phase · Post by **3phase** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 1:21 am

minimal wrote:you are more of a genius if you can produce music without being able to save your stuff, as the limitation of lots of demos is save...

I had lots of fun with life without safing anything and there is just the recording on a minidisk...
And that is not so much different from sessions with hardware where you have in the end a dat with the track..and everything else is gone.
The stuff saved in the atari ment absolut nothing without all the other settings of the setup.
So not so long ago there was no real way to safe a production at all and you usually tried to get it on tape within one session anyway.
Session means you dont do anything else in the studio before the track is finished..and you just try to safe from time to time because you know the atari will crash at one point... No way back to the track after another went on the desk...
But.... at least you was able to keep your samples and sequences.

I think it wouldnt hurt if the demo would allow a few safes...

I guess the reason that function unlimited demos became rare because all the hacking?...
Its however hard when you get something nice going with a demo and cant safe it. And its rather the work in the clips that is a lost than the actual arrangement and mix tricks.. you anyway like to do that different another day.