Apply transients and warp markers and their positions to another clip

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pechnatunk
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Apply transients and warp markers and their positions to another clip

Post by pechnatunk » Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:19 pm

Hi,
I'd like to be able to duplicate all changes I have made in one clip to another clip - (I wish the new Link Track feature in Live 11 beta worked for clip settings too)

I have a live recording of a band that moves around in tempo quite a bit, also its very sparse and syncopated jazz/world music so difficult to manage the warping AND its a multi-track recording of about 12 tracks.
I have managed to warp the room mic of the song and I'd like to be able to copy those settings over to the other tracks (all tracks are the same length)
Is there some kind of file trickery I can do to apply these warp settings to the other files/clips/tracks???

Would really appreciate it.

Cheers,

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Re: Apply transients and warp markers and their positions to another clip

Post by yur2die4 » Tue Dec 22, 2020 9:46 pm

In Arrangement View.

Set the warped clip to Lead / Follow with the button (more info in the manual)

You can line up the clips, have only one of them warped, the others unwarped.

Make sure they are perfectly lined up. Also helps if the other clips have not been warped before or don’t have default warp data.

Then just turn on Warp for those lined up clips, and they will acquire the same warp markers as the leading clip.

https://www.ableton.com/en/manual/audio ... r-follower

pechnatunk
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Re: Apply transients and warp markers and their positions to another clip

Post by pechnatunk » Wed Dec 23, 2020 12:25 pm

Wow!! Interesting.
I was just about to start "deleting" files and replacing with other files and things like that but I'll first have a play with this.

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Re: Apply transients and warp markers and their positions to another clip

Post by pechnatunk » Wed Dec 23, 2020 6:22 pm

Thanks - I gave this a go but it wasn't really what I wanted.
I'd already gone wild with added and moving transients and then added n moving warp markers. - I don't this takes that into account - even after I bounced the audio.

In the end I managed to get it done - Consolidated all the files to ensure they were the exact same length as the clip I worked on.
Then deleted the original file in Finder and restarted the session so that they was a missing file. Moved another file into the folder then renamed it as the file that was missing (The original .asd file was still there), so it applied all the warp markers etc to it.
Then exported/bounced that audio - repeated this for the 10-12 odd tracks in the project, then started a new project.....

Long winded, but got there in the end.

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Re: Apply transients and warp markers and their positions to another clip

Post by pottering » Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:08 pm

In the future, if the Clips are the same length you can select them all and Warp them at the same time.
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Re: Apply transients and warp markers and their positions to another clip

Post by pechnatunk » Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:29 pm

pottering wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:08 pm
In the future, if the Clips are the same length you can select them all and Warp them at the same time.
Hiya,
No that wouldn't have worked for this, that seems to only give access to the basic warp settings. I was doing quite detailed custom warping: moving and creating my own transients and then adding warp markers, and basically quantising a song that drifted in tempo between 153 and 168 bpm. Also most of the files were very syncopated and offbeat as well.
Only one track had a fairly consistent pulse - so this is the track I used to warp (as they're are band all playing together - I trusted they were more or less keeping in time with each other so applying all warp markers to a different instrument shouldn't have mattered a lot.

Tricking Ableton into warping the other instruments with the same settings as one track ended up working the best.

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Re: Apply transients and warp markers and their positions to another clip

Post by pottering » Sun Dec 27, 2020 9:14 pm

pechnatunk wrote:
Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:29 pm
pottering wrote:
Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:08 pm
In the future, if the Clips are the same length you can select them all and Warp them at the same time.
Hiya,
No that wouldn't have worked for this, that seems to only give access to the basic warp settings. I was doing quite detailed custom warping: moving and creating my own transients and then adding warp markers, and basically quantising a song that drifted in tempo between 153 and 168 bpm. Also most of the files were very syncopated and offbeat as well.
Only one track had a fairly consistent pulse - so this is the track I used to warp (as they're are band all playing together - I trusted they were more or less keeping in time with each other so applying all warp markers to a different instrument shouldn't have mattered a lot.

Tricking Ableton into warping the other instruments with the same settings as one track ended up working the best.
No, it works with all Warp modes just like when with just one Clip.

But the audio files (not Clips, the original audio) have to be exactly the same length.
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Re: Apply transients and warp markers and their positions to another clip

Post by pechnatunk » Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:26 pm

Ah OK!
Cheers for that - I see what you mean, but maybe there is something else going on too. (not just length)
I have been able to get it to work by duplicating a file I recorded in Ableton and then making some random changes to the middle (reversing bits) and then consolidating it.
Then yes - as you say I can select both and change warp markers and transients and stuff (a couple of options are missing such as set to 1:1:1 etc)
But thats still great to know.

However - for the life of me I can't get it to work on longer multitrack files (tried 3 different multitracked songs) I didn't create these as they were recorded elsewhere - but they are all in sync and look perfectly the same length.

***Edit!!!***
OK! ultra silly mistake! I thought it wasn't working because the waveforms were not being displayed.... As it turns out - if one or more of the files is not set to Warp - it won't display the wavefile - and all you really need to do is click Warp..... :oops:

Cheers!

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