Whose L5 does NOT crash?

solovox · Post by **solovox** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:07 pm

I'm a "power" user of Live, frequently performing live with 4+ gig sets...800 clips, etc.

Live 5 has been nothing but a disaster in performances. Dropouts, glitches, static, freezing, disk-errors, etc. The exact same sets in Live 4 are flawless.

I love Ableton and I'll stick around until it gets fixed...but it needs to get fixed. We've all paid already, right??

If Live 5 (which is awesome, don't get me wrong) was not going to be able to handle whopper sets, then it simply should've come with that disclaimer. I'm bumping up my RAM to TWO gigs today in the hopes that will fix it. We'll see.

Paranoid · Post by **Paranoid** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 6:40 pm

My version 5 has never crashed. It drops, crackles, maxes out etc but never crashes. Ironically I have a slooooow G4/350. I cannot believe my old mac will even run Live at all..but it does, well enough to make sets anyway. I wouldnt dare play live with this thing though, when I mix from a complex warp track to another complex warp track- forget it...it sounds crazy...all slowed down and whatnot. My tax return has a dual G5 written all over it....

Knarzer · Post by **Knarzer** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:06 pm

Well, I think I will have to "borrow" my sisters Notebook (PC) till the abes offer a stable OSX release.

Don't get me wrong! L4 is awesome and I am pretty sure L5 will be one day as well, but till now it just cost me lots of time, money and pain!

Come back from holidays, abes and straighten things out!

Cheers

Paranoid · Post by **Paranoid** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:37 pm

I dont understand why you guys are having so much trouble with 5. Or more accuratly why I am NOT having trouble. I only have 512k ram in my very aging G4 yet I am able to make mixes just fine. I cannot run more than one complex warp track at a time but aside from that its useable. Are you guys doing more production work or just mixing?

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:26 pm

Knarzer wrote:... just being curious:

Well, I started using L4 with version 4.1 or so. Have earlier versions of L4 been unstable as well? Is that maybe the common "good software needs a good amount of testing and debugging CUSTOMERS" ableton strategy?

ciao

dude.. just being curious;
you paid 450 euro's for L5 and you claim that you used L4 ,
so therefore I conclude you're 'coming clean' with buying L5 cause that ain't no upgrade price you paid, if you na' what I mean..

I suggest you hold your horses a bit..
I rekon you have little to none 'legal' experience with the program and you certainly do not understand what kind of company Ableton is..

Have some patience, they're running as fast as they can, doing the best they can, LISTENING to their userbase, don't forget that...

Oh, and, it is not nice to quote email's and make 'em public like that..
makes you look very stupid and out of control of your own business.. capiche?

nickb808 · Post by **nickb808** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:30 pm

honestly i think it's because there are 10million different ways to use live on 2 operating systesm with dozens of audio interfaces. i know i don't even touch some of the features in my workflow...esp. mp3s, freezing, etc.

but either way you have to respect 5. i would rather have this version that is very usable for me yet buggy in some areas than being "virus TI'ed" and just having shit pushed back another month each month for a year...dangling the carrot.

-nick

solovox · Post by **solovox** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 10:55 pm

Well, I just spent $200 on more RAM. I am now using a P4 2.4 ghz PC with TWO gigs ofRAM, an external 7200 RPM firewire drive, and the Layla Laptop interface. With my 4 gigabyte Live Set I get...drumroll...

THE EXACT same results.

Dropouts. Freezing. The Red "D." Delayed clips. Warped clips that are
perfect in 4, but totally out of time in 5 until one pass through
(unacceptable in a live situation).

Live 5 cannot handle large, professional sets. I am able to have Live 4 standing by with 800 clips...4 gigs worth...and be 98% flawless. Live 5 is 2% flawless.

Now...just to twist the knife...it just had a hard crash with a Microsoft Visual C++ Runtime Library message. We're livin' the dream here, people!!!

Knarzer · Post by **Knarzer** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 11:29 pm

dude.. just being curious;
you paid 450 euro's for L5 and you claim that you used L4 ,
so therefore I conclude you're 'coming clean' with buying L5 cause that ain't no upgrade price you paid, if you na' what I mean..

Very clever Poster and yes You are right: I did not buy L4 ... my former employer did!

Oh, and, it is not nice to quote email's and make 'em public like that..

True!

I was just getting a bit angry and impatient, I reckon. But hey, there's no light at the end of the tunnel. The betas work better, but still crash. I cannot send my .alp crash reports since they are too big (460Mb), can't reproduce the crashes, the abes did not answer my questions and my customer's on my back ...

Then check the last changelog to 5.02b8. Apperantly last one before final 5.02 release and there just got three minor bugs fixed. Do I have to wait till 5.1 to get a stable release? How long is that gonna take then? Seriously, I (and I bet other users, too) do not want to compensate the next three months for the lack of staff!

Even if the abes are small and likable!

teejay · Post by **teejay** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:35 am

I think its unprofessional to quote emails in a public forum.

I guess the Abes are trying to do as much as they can to try and close as many bugs as possible, so please be patient.

If we continue to post their emails like this and attacking them openly in public, they would just stop giving out much info in their email support... then we'd have a new set of whining!

blank · Post by **blank** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:51 am

I use live 5 5 hours a day minimum since the initial release and i put it under heavy pressure

flawless performance

no crash no glitch

i'm on pc, deeply tweaked windows for optimal performances

My only problem is a corrupted asd files one

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:07 am

yes it does crash now and then but I keep reading people on this thread that say "they should have taken longer to fix all these problems before they released it"

well I have a fix for this people... uninstall it and wait till the fixed one comes out... then install the one that works to your standards... you can pretend that that is the official release. when that day comes you can close your eyes tightly and say it three times "this is the offical release, there were no other releases before this"
if you don't like this idea then keep it installed and accept the fact that you'll have to deal with some bugs till the nice people at ableton fix them(which they will)

seriously "we paid for a program that doesn't work and now we have to wait for bugs to get fixed" well you could still be waiting for the initial release if you really feel like waiting. that doesn't make any sense to me. I'd rather have it now and deal with bugs than wait another 6 months for 5.

solovox · Post by **solovox** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:16 am

Hey guys...I'm totally happy that you're not experiencing any problems. Count yourself lucky. My simple question is this: what size are your sets? A single song or two is just fine on my system as well. Most people are using Live in that way...but that's only the composition aspect of what I do. When I perform live (around 2 times a week) I need access to about 2 dozen songs, from my uptempo to downtempo tracks. This makes between a 3 and 4 gig set. It is these that are buggier than July in Macon, Georgia. And that's buggy.

kineticUk · Post by **kineticUk** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:21 am

Johnisfaster wrote:well I have a fix for this people... uninstall it and wait till the fixed one comes out... then install the one that works to your standards... you can pretend that that is the official release. when that day comes you can close your eyes tightly and say it three times "this is the offical release, there were no other releases before this"
if you don't like this idea then keep it installed and accept the fact that you'll have to deal with some bugs till the nice people at ableton fix them(which they will)

Well said...Put live 3 or 4 whichever you prefer and wait for the stable version 5.

wildcon · Post by **wildcon** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:48 am

Only one crash here.

But I am using an optimised DAW.

However, there is no doubt that 5 was released way to early and I am more than unhappy aboput effectively being a beta tester.

Abes please take note.

solovox · Post by **solovox** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:37 pm

Johnisfaster and Kinetic:

I hear where your coming from...it would seem to be the common sense solution except for one little detail:

We've already paid, remember? It's not supposed to be a time-release software package. "Pay now...use in November!"