Bug fix update Live 5.0.2 is available!

timothyallan · Post by **timothyallan** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 11:41 pm

I'll send it to you now.

Yes, it happens still when I remove VSTS's. However, it doesnt happen when I remove the audio files. So it might be tricky for you guys with no audio... we'll see.

And yes, it does happen regardless if Live is playing or not.

Cheers,
Tim

camarao · Post by **camarao** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 12:24 pm

How do I update from Live 5.0.1 (Mac version) ? Just download live 5.0.2 demo and install it?

atomic · Post by **atomic** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 1:05 pm

Thanks for the update! A nice and speedy follow up.

This being said I am begging you to bring back the 5.01 way of editing the start marker in the clip view. I have liked it from day one and now the feature has been removed?! I know that people freaked out all over this forum with posts like "freaking orange dot!" and all the rest of it but it makes moving around in clips way better for me. The way it is now again in 5.02 totaly messes up the way i use live to arange my tracks in a live setting. I for one think that there is a need for both ways of working with the start marker in the clip. I truly hope this can be brought back in as I will miss it.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 2:34 pm

Something else odd I noticed in the new version...

With Live 4 and 5.0.1 I have left the Ambience reverb on an aux send. I like the plug, but it does use a lot of CPU. In the previous versions this did not register on the CPU meter until I started to send a signal through it from one of the channels.

In Live 5.0.2 however the full Ambience CPU hit registers even when I don't have anything going through it.

The reason I don't much like that is that I have two or three different reverbs on different return strips in my template, and choose between them when mixing. THis makes that impossible.

Could anyone comment/explain?

icedsushi · Post by **icedsushi** » Sat Oct 08, 2005 6:09 pm

Alex,

About the bugfix/improved latency reporting...

I'm getting

5.01 is 11ms + 11ms.

5.02 is 12.3ms + 12.3ms.

Both with a 512 buffer size. Guess this is due to better accuracy as formerly posted.

More importantly, My question about the third adjustable latency box:

Followed your advice about double checking the latency setting with 5.02. So I checked my HW latency using the "settting latency" example lesson. In 5.01 I got 4ms. In 5.02 I got only 1.3ms. Even double checked myself after entering the setting...seems OK. But I'm confused though. Why would the soundcard latency improve from one version to the next using the same soundcard?

shotsi673 · Post by **shotsi673** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:04 am

Alex wrote:Hi folks,

we just released the bugfix update Live 5.0.2.

Just check the download section on our website or use the 'Check for Updates...' entry from Live's help menu.

Has it been taken off? Because I couldn't find it at all. Only the update for 414.

cheers

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:06 am

shotsi673 wrote:
Alex wrote:Hi folks,

we just released the bugfix update Live 5.0.2.

Just check the download section on our website or use the 'Check for Updates...' entry from Live's help menu.
Has it been taken off? Because I couldn't find it at all. Only the update for 414.

cheers

http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=downloads

amo · Post by **amo** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:09 am

hoffman2k wrote:
shotsi673 wrote:
Alex wrote:Hi folks,

we just released the bugfix update Live 5.0.2.

Just check the download section on our website or use the 'Check for Updates...' entry from Live's help menu.
Has it been taken off? Because I couldn't find it at all. Only the update for 414.

cheers
http://www.ableton.com/index.php?main=downloads

And you have to enter your Live5 serial there, not your Live4 serial, otherwise you'll get the option to download Live4 update....

Cheers,
amo

shotsi673 · Post by **shotsi673** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 8:54 am

Thanks, I forgot I got Live 5 from a download.

cheers

beatnick · Post by **beatnick** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 7:32 pm

Hi,

I have downloaded the bug fix but when I double click the .dmg file it says "the following disk images failed to mount" reason: "not recognised".

I have tried downloading it again but the same thing happened, I can open other .dmg files.

Any ideas??

Post by **Alex** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 3:20 pm

Hi icedsushi,

Why would the soundcard latency improve from one version to the next using the same soundcard?

It does not. In Live 5.0.1 the overall compensation value is only a value to manual compensate the difference between the reported latency from the audio interface and the "real" latency you experience when you play or record something.

So in Live 5.0.1 the reported latency was truncated from Live so you got 11.0ms and 11.0ms. In Live 5.0.2 you get 12.3ms and 12.3ms.
So the the difference is 1.3ms for input and 1.3ms for output too.
That means Live 5.0.1 reported 1.3ms + 1.3ms = 2.6ms to less
But because the real latency of your soundcard has not changed of course you had also to compensate this 2.6ms difference.

So in Live 5.0.1 you have a compensate value of 4.0ms but in Live 5.0.2 only 1.3ms. Just check the difference, 4.0ms - 1.3ms = 2.7ms which is about the 2.6ms difference from above.

regards,
Alex

camarao · Post by **camarao** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:21 pm

Alex wrote:Hi icedsushi,

Why would the soundcard latency improve from one version to the next using the same soundcard?
It does not. In Live 5.0.1 the overall compensation value is only a value to manual compensate the difference between the reported latency from the audio interface and the "real" latency you experience when you play or record something.

So in Live 5.0.1 the reported latency was truncated from Live so you got 11.0ms and 11.0ms. In Live 5.0.2 you get 12.3ms and 12.3ms.
So the the difference is 1.3ms for input and 1.3ms for output too.
That means Live 5.0.1 reported 1.3ms + 1.3ms = 2.6ms to less
But because the real latency of your soundcard has not changed of course you had also to compensate this 2.6ms difference.

So in Live 5.0.1 you have a compensate value of 4.0ms but in Live 5.0.2 only 1.3ms. Just check the difference, 4.0ms - 1.3ms = 2.7ms which is about the 2.6ms difference from above.

regards,
Alex

Wow !

(I didn't understand nothing...)

icedsushi · Post by **icedsushi** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:11 am

Alex wrote:the overall compensation value is only a value to manual compensate the difference between the reported latency from the audio interface and the "real" latency you experience when you play or record something.

Thanks Alex,

I read that like 15 times and I think I finally understand it about half. So 5.01 was "rounding" the numbers and since 5.02 is more accurate to the decimal, there is now a difference in the adjustment equal to the increased accuracy.

I'm still thinking about what the user changeable compensation value represents (in my case the 1.3ms). I thought this was the soundcard's in/out latency but after your statement above I'm so sure now what it represents.

inis · Post by **inis** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 12:34 am

Whats up with the "installing live packs" on startup. I saw a couple zooming by that said removed. It didnt just erase everything except the default packs did it?

SPY · Post by **SPY** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:48 am

i got and installed it! so does this mean i can uninstall LIVE 5.01? I won't lose any work right?

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