Discuss music production with Ableton Live.
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HowMuchNoise
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by HowMuchNoise » Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:20 am
itsuitsme wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 4:44 pm
HowMuchNoise wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 3:54 pm
It's even more surprising for german peoples to be this reckless, they usually are known for being extremely precise and careful of details, everything work and work properly generally, they will go extra miles compared to others, but I guess not this time.
NI's Traktor silently installs drivers for their
entire DJ hardware lineup, regardless of whether you have any of it! Germans or not -- "business" decides
How not removing files (drivers, that's not your average files) installed on a user system is related in any way to business or marketing?
That doesn't cost anything to delete something that was installed by a program, and not doing it, I'll say it again, is far from the studious and meticulous image of German.
Ableton full edition is 600€, for this price you don't have a right for mistake.
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itsuitsme
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by itsuitsme » Thu Nov 02, 2023 1:50 pm
HowMuchNoise wrote: ↑Thu Nov 02, 2023 5:20 am
itsuitsme wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 4:44 pm
HowMuchNoise wrote: ↑Wed Nov 01, 2023 3:54 pm
It's even more surprising for german peoples to be this reckless, they usually are known for being extremely precise and careful of details, everything work and work properly generally, they will go extra miles compared to others, but I guess not this time.
NI's Traktor silently installs drivers for their
entire DJ hardware lineup, regardless of whether you have any of it! Germans or not -- "business" decides
How not removing files (drivers, that's not your average files) installed on a user system is related in any way to business or marketing?
That doesn't cost anything to delete something that was installed by a program, and not doing it, I'll say it again, is far from the studious and meticulous image of German.
Ableton full edition is 600€, for this price you don't have a right for mistake.
I thought it was obvious enough. Primarily, a sense of "seamless experience". It's a deliberate business decision that "caters" to the "ecosystem" users, while at the same time exposing non-users to it, and simplifying version control and software maintenance. In three words: "convenience", exposure, cost-cutting.. It's not a mistake, it's business fulfilling its objectives at your and my expense.
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vitaliistep
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by vitaliistep » Thu Dec 28, 2023 8:20 am
itsuitsme wrote: ↑Tue Jul 18, 2023 3:50 pm
just_in wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 6:58 pm
It's kinda rude that Ableton installs the driver for Push without even asking.
But if you insist on doing that, at least provide an uninstaller for it.
Agreed, blatant disrespect and a glaring marketing _nudge_, covered as "user convenience".
Here's a proper way to completely remove the "Ableton Push Driver" (Push Control Panel) [on Windows] using MsiExec, a built-in Windows component that manipulates Windows Installer packages (Push Driver is
currently distributed as msi):
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Unless the package's GUID changes from the current {8CE98F88-3F07-4338-A036-B66414F3FD66}
- Win+x -> Windows PowerShell (Admin)
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Start-Process -FilePath "cmd.exe" -ArgumentList "/c msiexec.exe /x {8CE98F88-3F07-4338-A036-B66414F3FD66}"
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In case the GUID has changed:
- Win+x -> Windows PowerShell (Admin)
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get-wmiobject Win32_Product | Format-Table IdentifyingNumber, Name
- Find GUID (IdentifyingNumber) corresponding to Ableton Push Driver
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Start-Process -FilePath "cmd.exe" -ArgumentList "/c msiexec.exe /x {xxxxxxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxx-xxxxxxxxxxxx}"
where xxxxx... is the GUID you found.
To add insult to injury, making the driver removable via standard Windows interface is a matter of simply changing one flag when baking the msi, for Ableton.
Thank you so much!
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Teedub
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by Teedub » Sat Dec 30, 2023 8:02 pm
I don't know how to completely uninstall it, but in Windows 11 I got Ableton Push Control Panel to stop auto-starting at startup and running in the background & in my system tray.
In Settings > Apps > Startup, it shows up as "USB Audio Class Driver Control Panel" even though it calls itself Ableton Push Control Panel in the sys tray. It's still identifiable because of the icon; looks like a little black & white calculator. I flipped its switch to Off and it hasn't bugged me since.