Live 12 reference manual DISCONTINUED BOOOOOO

[lincolnkid]

Did I miss something? Is that a picture of the new manual?

[Machinesworking]

I'm still shocked by this, but I shouldn't be at this point. Ableton are now the biggest independent DAW developer out there, they're one of the top 4 most used DAWs, and you IMO definitely see some awkward corporate shenanigans. Logic although it has Apples backing has not figured out how to use all processors on the latest big, little, power, efficiency chips, and of course it took them until 11 to implement MIDI out from AUi's. Live is sitting here months later with massive mistakes straight up in the online manual, no downloadable PDF, and the new shortcuts aren't even in the manual, they're in another part of the website...

It just seems to be a thing, a company gets big enough and they start loosening up the ship, they know people scramble to the perceived #1 DAWs so you get weird omissions. DP, Bitwig, and I'm pretty sure Logic can all have multiple audio files in a Clip, they all passed up Live in terms of that basic functionality, and I don't see any indication that Ableton are interested in implementing it? it's just a given we will workaround.

I bought the upgrade, participated in the beta, but I'm not using it much, it just feels weird being attached to a development team that has as of ten plus years ago 2 million unique users and can't even be assed to compile an online manual that isn't filled with mistakes. I emailed tech support, their answer was literally:

Other users have also contacted us about these topics, so I've added your ticket to the already filed feature requests.

Yep, that's right, bugs and omissions in the manual are now "feature requests".

[[jur]]

Did I miss something? Is that a picture of the new manual?

[Machinesworking]

I really do not get this? How is the online manual still filled with misinformation, and wrong shortcuts months after the release of Live 12?

What the hell is going on at Ableton HQ? I'm not trying to be hyperbolic, I'm seriously trying to understand how a multi million dollar company can leave their reference manual in such a mess when it's set up to be easily editable?? It's a massive trust breaking thing to do, especially for new users to attempt to use shortcuts that do not work, that are not even referenced in the manual? Weird..

[spacepluk]

are we there yet?

[Lumix]

are we there yet?

noo - 12.0.5 still doesnt have Manual. 11.0.5 had one so far i can remember. FeelsRainMan

i think Ableton will let stand in the rain outside during a storm.

i dont think there will be an offline Manual for Live 12. Simply bcs Ableton thinks, that everybody has to have internet at home or in general at their DAW machine. Bcs thats the 2024 you know wake up ...

[spacepluk]

pdffffff!

[102455]

Steinberg know how to do it...

https://steinberg.help/cubase-manuals/c ... se-pro-13/

[spacepluk]

I'll trade my Cubase Pro 13 license for your Suite, heheh

[forestcaver]

Steinberg know how to do it...

https://steinberg.help/cubase-manuals/c ... se-pro-13/

As do Bitwig - https://www.bitwig.com/media/bitwig_use ... 7xdLZX.pdf

[Lumix]

IL has both: online and offline:

Online:
https://www.image-line.com/fl-studio-le ... ne-manual/

Offline:
https://www.image-line.com/fl-studio-le ... ffline.htm

the offline installer is simply a copy of the online manual, made workable offline. If Ableton would do that, i would be more than happy to accept it.
Doesnt need to be a PDF version. ofc a PDF version would be premium, bcs its simply so easy to print out and read on paper.

Reaper has PDF, updtodate/offline!
https://www.reaper.fm/userguide/ReaperUserGuide716c.pdf - as of now 7.16 is the last version.

you can buy a print version aswell.

So where is Ableton now?!

[H20nly]

And Luna

https://help.uaudio.com/hc/en-us/articl ... UNA-Manual

[oscillik]

I have also just noticed that the built-in lessons are also out of date, with screenshots of the old-style Quantize pop-up dialog.

[pottering]

I have also just noticed that the built-in lessons are also out of date, with screenshots of the old-style Quantize pop-up dialog.

You should report those as bugs to support when you find them, same for typos, wrong shortcuts, mistranslations, etc.

[Angstrom]

The maddening thing about the online - only manual for Live 12 is that it has no search function!

In the PDF I would always search to find a specific item. I'd open the info tab in Live, hover over the element to find its weird name , such as the "waveform overview" or whatever. Then I'd search the PDF for that phrase. Where is the search for the online manual? Am I missing something here? Who makes a manual without a search, or even an alphabetic appendix of topics? It's weird. Ableton used to have one of the best manuals in the business, and now it really doesn't have one!