Looper + Latency when recording with Monitor IN or AUTO

[nc2010]

Hi,

(1) With Live 11 or below, it is well known that recording when Monitor is set to IN or AUTO implies that the recording will contain unwanted latency. (See for example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PT5mD2Zd7F8).
So the solution is 1) either set Monitor to OFF when recording or 2) keep Monitor IN or AUTO, but then at the end of the recording you have to move the clip manually of 10ms - 50ms depending on your device.
Do you confirm that ?

(2) Now the main part of my question : when using a "Looper" device recording an external input (e.g. mic, guitar), you cannot set Monitor to OFF, because if you do that, the Looper won't record any sound. Am I correct ?
So this forces us to set Monitor to IN or AUTO for a track with a Looper, is that right ?
I tried to do this, and very logically, when you record with the Looper, the recorded loop has unwanted latency (because of Monitoring on IN or AUTO).

Question: how do you use the Looper ?
Monitor = OFF => No sound => bad
Monitor = IN or AUTO => Unwanted latency applied in the recording => bad

Thanks

PS: This might be fixed with Live 12's "Keep Latency" button, but I don't have Live 12 so I won't discuss this

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cjSrgygQKU

https://help.ableton.com/hc/en-us/artic ... ng-in-Live

When should the monitor be set to "Off"?
If you're using direct monitoring. Direct monitoring is a function of certain audio interfaces that allows you to monitor directly through the interface in order to reduce latency.

[nc2010]

When should the monitor be set to "Off"?
If you're using direct monitoring. Direct monitoring is a function of certain audio interfaces that allows you to monitor directly through the interface in order to reduce latency.

Yes for sure, my hardware external audio interface has direct monitoring.

But the question is elsewhere : do you confirm what I wrote in (1) is correct?

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Does a monitored signal have latency?
Yes - any signal in a computer based environment is going to have a certain amount of latency. This latency is the time it takes for that signal to enter the computer, then travel through the software and back out through your speakers or headphones. Latency can be reduced as much as possible, but can't be eliminated entirely.

[nc2010]

Does a monitored signal have latency? Yes - any signal in a computer based environment is going to have a certain amount of latency.

I'm not speaking about the direct monitoring latency... I'm speaking about something else (see my first message).

Also when using the "Looper" device, you have to use Monitor=IN or AUTO ; if you use Monitor=OFF, the Looper won't record anything, do other people confirm this, or there is a workaround?

[nc2010]

This post describes exactly the same issue :

https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php ... 0#p1393226