16 pitches for drums

[Mister Ries]

Read this on the Ableton Move promo page.

16 pitches for drums
Break out of the standard drum layout and turn any sample into a bassline or melody by transposing single drum hits to different pitches.

https://www.ableton.com/en/move/#text-b ... dia-223106

Please correct me if i'm wrong, but this is something new for drum racks in Ableton entirely right?

I used this all the time on my MPC1000 back in the day, but when going from the MPC to Ableton drum racks I really missed this. This is currently not doable on Push right?

[jeanvoyage]

I wonder the same thing and want to know how this translates to Ableton Live midi events and if this is coming to the Push 3 as well.
It's a really valuable feature and present in so many grooveboxes but has been missing from Live (so far)...

[[jur]]

I wonder the same thing and want to know how this translates to Ableton Live midi events

In L12.1, midi Drum Rack clips now have a NotePB lane. Move's 16 pitches are translated to NotePB in Live.

[Mister Ries]

On Push, when you have a drum rack, you can cycle through the modes pressing the Layout button: Loop selector, 16 velocities, Macro variations, 64 pads.

They could/should squeeze in a '16 pitches' mode, so we can have this on Push as well!

[Just_Pierre]

I wonder the same thing and want to know how this translates to Ableton Live midi events

In L12.1, midi Drum Rack clips now have a NotePB lane. Move's 16 pitches are translated to NotePB in Live.

That's really wonderful, thanks!

[BEATDUSTA]

YES Ableton please bring this feature to push 3 using a drum rack !!! what the ... if it hasn't already lol ....with new update ?

[nednerb]

I was making music over the weekend with my Push 2 and did the following simply because I wanted the effect.

Using a custom rack solution, I could choose multiple samples (five "Kick D55 Tone" samples), which I put in Sampler instances (before Drum Sampler recently arrived!!) to give more control over the playback, as well as (importantly) to set the "Root" parameter to the beginning note of each of the green Key mappings. Setting Live scale, and my Push 2 scale to the same, I am able to do something quite nice.

It is not only "play any sample as a melody" sounding, but also "play a related sample as a melody at the same time, imbuing the whole mix with even more nuance".



Having a quick function would be nice, too, but I really like to explore the connections possible in the flexible interface of Live and the Push.

[Mister Ries]

yeah, for me it's about the 'quick function'.
I usually drag the simpler drum pad from the drum rack to a seperate channel to play it chromatically. If we could get it straight out of the box on Push like the Move that would be great.

[jeanvoyage]

yeah, for me it's about the 'quick function'.
I usually drag the simpler drum pad from the drum rack to a seperate channel to play it chromatically. If we could get it straight out of the box on Push like the Move that would be great.

I agree, it’s not that it’s absolutely impossible, it’s more that any current workarounds create overhead that is detrimental to the act of quickly switching to 16 level tune to see how a sample chop sounds when played chromatically.

Given the fact that Ableton seem to have found a solution for this, and implemented that solution in a hardware system, it should absolutely follow suit for another hardware box that they call an instrument.
Not having this for sample chops and having to rely on a workaround is a bit like a piano with only one octave where you have to reassemble the strings to find out how it would sound in a different key.

[M320]

This device does that and more:

https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=251051

[jeanvoyage]

This device does that and more:

https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=251051

Great thank you but this is also just a workaround that even costs money.
The problem with playing a drum rack pad from an external midi track is that other drum rack cells do not choke the sample anymore, even if a choke group is set and would choke if played directly from the Drum Rack.

At the very least we’d need a M4L device to accomplish that, preferably in the way that Ableton does it, by writing pitches to the MPE lane.

Ideally, Ableton would do it themselves. I actually sent a feature suggestion for that a while back and was totally surprised by the announcement that the Move now can do it, but the Push can’t…

[M320]

This device does that and more:

https://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?t=251051

Great thank you but this is also just a workaround that even costs money.
The problem with playing a drum rack pad from an external midi track is that other drum rack cells do not choke the sample anymore, even if a choke group is set and would choke if played directly from the Drum Rack.

At the very least we’d need a M4L device to accomplish that, preferably in the way that Ableton does it, by writing pitches to the MPE lane.

Ideally, Ableton would do it themselves. I actually sent a feature suggestion for that a while back and was totally surprised by the announcement that the Move now can do it, but the Push can’t…

Choke groups do work in this device.
If there is a Closed Hihat sequence playing from the drum rack clip, Open Hihats played chromatically over it will get choked, as long as they are in the same choke group.

How would one edit the "MPE lane" (actually: NotePB) on a Push? I imagine it would be a drag, even within Live. A piano roll or melodic grid is preferable to an automation lane when editing pitches within a scale.
This device lets one record what is played on the selected pad to a separate clip from the initial Drum Rack track sequence, which is preferable to having everything recorded into one lonely Drum Rack track clip, where the melody would be shown as a one-note sequence. In the separate clip, one can see and easily edit individual note pitches, point the whole clip to another pad in the drum rack, etc.

I would also like to see Ableton bring 16 Pitches Mode to Push quickly, but there are some apparent differences in Live and Note architecture that might explain why it's taking longer than expected.

[braduro]

Have you confirmed this choke behavior? You do make sense. We had another thread on here which seems to report that you’re effectively causing midi pass thru of the drum rack when you play it from an external track. But it makes sense that close/open hhats would still interact.

As for editing mpe pitch on push? You wouldn’t. I think you would record it again. Beyond this, I think you’d need another midi device that could target and filter MPE pitch, and then overdub automation. Also effectively recording again. Be cool if said device could also pitch quantize.

[M320]

Have you confirmed this choke behavior? You do make sense. We had another thread on here which seems to report that you’re effectively causing midi pass thru of the drum rack when you play it from an external track. But it makes sense that close/open hhats would still interact.

As for editing mpe pitch on push? You wouldn’t. I think you would record it again. Beyond this, I think you’d need another midi device that could target and filter MPE pitch, and then overdub automation. Also effectively recording again. Be cool if said device could also pitch quantize.

Yes I can confirm the choke group behaviour.
Whatever the other thread actually says, I doubt it contradicts my observation.

Using MHO Melodic DrumPads, you can have separate clips for each recording and you can edit the notes you recorded in the melodic sequencer layout – you don't have to delete it and start over again. No need for automation lane editing, nor pitch quantization.

There is a downside, compared to "16 Pitches" as it exists on the Move: you have to switch tracks (one press of a button) to play a selected pad.
Coming from hardware devices where this is normal, I don't mind that.

[braduro]

Using MHO Melodic DrumPads, you can have separate clips for each recording and you can edit the notes you recorded in the melodic sequencer layout – you don't have to delete it and start over again. No need for automation lane editing, nor pitch quantization.

was your question not whether it could be edited on a push? Sure, clips can be edited on a push. But can MPE pitch data be adjusted on a push? I don't think so. Note, Velocity, nudge, probability, yes. But slide and aftertouch and pitchbend? Not to my knowledge.