Hi!
Does anyone know if 1/16th note quantise is a property of the step sequencer resolution? So if I change the step grid size to 1/8th under Shift+Step 3 does the quantise percentage then correspond to a proportion of 1/8th notes?
quantise resolution adjusted with step resolution?
Re: quantise resolution adjusted with step resolution?
TBH, I should first check as I rarely used the 1/8th step resolution, but I don't see why it wouldn't work like in Live and quantize to the nearest 1/16th note (modulo the quantize % value).
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Re: quantise resolution adjusted with step resolution?
hi Jur, so you're saying that you think quantisation wouldn't be impacted by step resolution?
In live, you intentionally change the quantise resolution, but on move, there's no explicit mention of whether this can be accomplished
In live, you intentionally change the quantise resolution, but on move, there's no explicit mention of whether this can be accomplished
Re: quantise resolution adjusted with step resolution?
Only if your quantize setting is set to "follow grid" (or whatever it's called) afaik, but someone correct me if i'm wrong (I must admit I'm not a quantization aficionado)
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Re: quantise resolution adjusted with step resolution?
Jur, there's a quantize option in Live to change resolution to "current grid" size, which would apply the quantisation from an adaptive grid.
So to rephrase the question: does quantise resolution on the Move apply to the current grid size?
What I could do is record a 1/16 note repeat on a drum pad on the move, or simply step sequence across the full bar. Then switch the grid to 1/8th note resolution (which will retain the that 1/16th notes). Do this by changing grid size to 1/8th notes and quitization amount to 100% under Shift+Step 3. Then apply quantisation to that pad (Shift+Step 16). I should then hear 1/8th notes. (I believe I can apply quantisation to just the selected pad, or in this case the entire clip)
A friend is borrowing my move, or I'd try it now.
So to rephrase the question: does quantise resolution on the Move apply to the current grid size?
What I could do is record a 1/16 note repeat on a drum pad on the move, or simply step sequence across the full bar. Then switch the grid to 1/8th note resolution (which will retain the that 1/16th notes). Do this by changing grid size to 1/8th notes and quitization amount to 100% under Shift+Step 3. Then apply quantisation to that pad (Shift+Step 16). I should then hear 1/8th notes. (I believe I can apply quantisation to just the selected pad, or in this case the entire clip)
A friend is borrowing my move, or I'd try it now.
Re: quantise resolution adjusted with step resolution?
the answer: YES, the quantise resolution is equivelent to the current grid size
Re: quantise resolution adjusted with step resolution?
now for the big caveat: grid size only goes down to 1/8T, not to 1/8
In other words, quantising a bum 1/8th note isn't going to make it less sucky if it ends up gravitating to the wrong 1/16th note
Working on a triplet grid isn't going to help quantise accuracy, or your performance accuracy for that matter, because we typically understand when we're playing a triplet pattern. If you had a hybrid of 1/16th and triplets, then sure, try changing the sequencer resolution before trying quantise if something is off. Otherwise best practices dictate to fix the one bum note.
As it stands, even with a pattern that may be multiple pages, finding that note on the sequencer and fixing it by hand is going to prove better results. By then, you may have looped or start/stopped transport to fix a note. Not great from a performance standpoint.
My accuracy is arguably pretty good, but with things like latency, even on a simple pattern that uses occasional 1/8th notes, I'll find that even downbeats can be on the wrong 1/16th note steps
But there are other implications and applications which can't be met by quantise:
If you have a loose 1/16th note at the end of one page, there's a good chance quantise will assign it to the next bar.
If you have a loose or edgy 1/4 note there's a good chance that all your quarter note steps will appear on the wrong page.
If grid resolution went down to 1/8th notes, this could aid a number of scenarios.
I wonder if this is not implemented because the swing is strictly 1/16th note?
So now I'll use some examples of where having a grid that is 1/8th note resolution would be helpful
a) baselines. With subleases, drones
b) 1-bar pad loops. Maybe arpeggiated
c)playing 4 to the floor on the kick
d) any temporary tap tempo guide pad
What happens in these examples with 1/16th bar quantise, if you were going to quickly reach for the quantise option?
a) Good chance quantise will move a note to the "e" or "a"
b) Good chance that your 1-bar loop won't play because the note-on will be on the "a" of the bar prior.
c) Good chance that a relaxed performance which could use even a mild buttoning up will assign that.to the last step on the prior page, such that when you want to do step editing, you'll find your steps in the wrong place. And when you go into fixing this, you'll either nudge them individually, which may still keep the unintended step lit, or you'll clear the step and end up with a default velocity when you fix it to the correct down beat.
d) same problem
I guess you could copy the note, then paste it to the correct down beat, then go back and clear the first note?
In other words, quantising a bum 1/8th note isn't going to make it less sucky if it ends up gravitating to the wrong 1/16th note
Working on a triplet grid isn't going to help quantise accuracy, or your performance accuracy for that matter, because we typically understand when we're playing a triplet pattern. If you had a hybrid of 1/16th and triplets, then sure, try changing the sequencer resolution before trying quantise if something is off. Otherwise best practices dictate to fix the one bum note.
As it stands, even with a pattern that may be multiple pages, finding that note on the sequencer and fixing it by hand is going to prove better results. By then, you may have looped or start/stopped transport to fix a note. Not great from a performance standpoint.
My accuracy is arguably pretty good, but with things like latency, even on a simple pattern that uses occasional 1/8th notes, I'll find that even downbeats can be on the wrong 1/16th note steps
But there are other implications and applications which can't be met by quantise:
If you have a loose 1/16th note at the end of one page, there's a good chance quantise will assign it to the next bar.
If you have a loose or edgy 1/4 note there's a good chance that all your quarter note steps will appear on the wrong page.
If grid resolution went down to 1/8th notes, this could aid a number of scenarios.
I wonder if this is not implemented because the swing is strictly 1/16th note?
So now I'll use some examples of where having a grid that is 1/8th note resolution would be helpful
a) baselines. With subleases, drones
b) 1-bar pad loops. Maybe arpeggiated
c)playing 4 to the floor on the kick
d) any temporary tap tempo guide pad
What happens in these examples with 1/16th bar quantise, if you were going to quickly reach for the quantise option?
a) Good chance quantise will move a note to the "e" or "a"
b) Good chance that your 1-bar loop won't play because the note-on will be on the "a" of the bar prior.
c) Good chance that a relaxed performance which could use even a mild buttoning up will assign that.to the last step on the prior page, such that when you want to do step editing, you'll find your steps in the wrong place. And when you go into fixing this, you'll either nudge them individually, which may still keep the unintended step lit, or you'll clear the step and end up with a default velocity when you fix it to the correct down beat.
d) same problem
I guess you could copy the note, then paste it to the correct down beat, then go back and clear the first note?