Win 10 support is ending. Linux market share is up. Please can we get a Linux version?

[TenTonDrum]

How about just releasing the Ableton 10 source code or something? Fork a really old version and let the Open Source community work on it. They'll be way behind so you won't compete with them, you can even provide the option for people to buy a license to support you as thanks. I would 100% buy a license if that was an option. Linux user are well know to provide far more detailed and in depth bug reports than any other user base, this could be a mutually beneficial relationship if you need to test experimental features.

I dunno, I know it's unlikely, but a man can dream.

[yur2die4]

If they were to release on Linux, I think they’d probably have to make sure the version matches the features of the current versions, otherwise they’d never hear the end of it.

[x3000]

This topic has already been discussed at length here. Linux has a market share of approximately 4% in the desktop sector. Yes, I know that it dominates smartphones, web servers, and IoT devices.

In this world, with this mindset, little will change. It's not that I think this is a good thing—but you have to acknowledge reality.
Maybe in 30 years it will have a 5% share, maybe it will have disappeared by then.
By the way, support for Windows 10 is not ending – it will continue. And even if it doesn't, everyone is free to use it anyway.

Besides, there is already an Ableton Live on Linux that runs on Push 3 SA and Move.

I think hell will freeze over before Ableton releases its source code, and you can't blame them, because at the end of the day, everyone needs to eat, including the developers at Ableton.

[lucianthorr]

Live is pretty much the only software that holds me to running Mac. I really want to move to a full Linux setup but I'd hate to abandon everything I've invested into Ableton over the years.
But if the quality of Apple's software keeps dropping and Linux keeps getting better, there are going to be more and more young people who switched to Linux before even learning about music production and at that point, BitWig is going to be their only option.
(I'm mostly just responding to show activity and interest in this topic)

[Felonius]

I would be ecstatic to see Live in ANY Linux version; however, given the number of Linux users, Live For Linux would probably cost about $12,000 ; unless perhaps AI can be used to code it.

[Gral]

Due to Microsoft's philosophy of wanting to control everything on users' private computers down to the smallest detail and ultimately offering more and more software as a pure subscription model, I think the number of Linux users will continue to rise. In the near future, this growth will likely be much stronger than it has been in recent years. This is not only because users may have to buy a new computer in order to use Win 11 at all (keyword: TPM 2.0). The cloud requirement is also absolutely repulsive to many.

I myself started using Linux in 1998 and have been using it exclusively since 2002. My wife's computer also runs on Linux; she doesn't know anything else.

Ableton Live is the only software I need Windows for, and I have set up a dual-boot partition especially for this. Even the programs I need for 3D printing run not only on Windows but also on Linux. These include FreeCad and the necessary slicer for the printer. Even the FlightGear flight simulator, which is a relatively complex program, runs on Windows and Linux. The same goes for the complex LibreOffice package and many more.

I would say that if another DAW producer, besides Bitwig, also offers a Linux version, the air for Ableton will slowly but surely become thinner. That would be a shame, but if you sleep through the ravages of time...

[kitekrazy]

Still waiting for the Great Pumpkin. The land of Delusion. Like Ableton is going to release their source code. If they did it wouldn't be free and developers paying that are going to want more than a Live license. Keep living in that land of delusion.

[kitekrazy]

Due to Microsoft's philosophy of wanting to control everything on users' private computers down to the smallest detail and ultimately offering more and more software as a pure subscription model, I think the number of Linux users will continue to rise. In the near future, this growth will likely be much stronger than it has been in recent years. This is not only because users may have to buy a new computer in order to use Win 11 at all (keyword: TPM 2.0). The cloud requirement is also absolutely repulsive to many.

I myself started using Linux in 1998 and have been using it exclusively since 2002. My wife's computer also runs on Linux; she doesn't know anything else.

Ableton Live is the only software I need Windows for, and I have set up a dual-boot partition especially for this. Even the programs I need for 3D printing run not only on Windows but also on Linux. These include FreeCad and the necessary slicer for the printer. Even the FlightGear flight simulator, which is a relatively complex program, runs on Windows and Linux. The same goes for the complex LibreOffice package and many more.

I would say that if another DAW producer, besides Bitwig, also offers a Linux version, the air for Ableton will slowly but surely become thinner. That would be a shame, but if you sleep through the ravages of time...

You don't own anything from MS or Apple. Funny how the Linux people spend more time bashing MS who makes an OS for people to still use legacy hardware. Imagine the doorstops of hardware going to Linux or Apple.

We pay for software licenses. They have EULA. You don't agree don't use it if it dents your tinfoil hat.

If you you are so hard up for Linux then use Bitwig. If you think Ableton will be much thinner you've fallen for the Linux delusion. Let me know when Steinberg or Avid goes under for not wasting resources on the 4% market share.

My favorite Linux distro is Linux NEVER

[Felonius]

. Funny how the Linux people spend more time bashing MS who makes an OS for people to still use legacy hardware.

Which OS is that.?
Thank you.

[Gral]

Still waiting for the Great Pumpkin. The land of Delusion. Like Ableton is going to release their source code. If they did it wouldn't be free and developers paying that are going to want more than a Live license. Keep living in that land of delusion.

Your cleverness really shows. It is possible to develop and provide software for Linux without publishing the source code. This is called closed source.

[Gral]

You don't own anything from MS or Apple. Funny how the Linux people spend more time bashing MS who makes an OS for people to still use legacy hardware. Imagine the doorstops of hardware going to Linux or Apple.

We pay for software licenses. They have EULA. You don't agree don't use it if it dents your tinfoil hat.

If you you are so hard up for Linux then use Bitwig. If you think Ableton will be much thinner you've fallen for the Linux delusion. Let me know when Steinberg or Avid goes under for not wasting resources on the 4% market share.

My favorite Linux distro is Linux NEVER

Yeah, we all know how clever you are. Thank you for your very knowledgeable comment.

[Gral]

No further comments.

[kitekrazy]

at least not.........delusional

The reality taken from a professional DAW builder

What problem/s does a Linux DAW solve?

Latency?
Compatibility?
Performance?

The short answer is none of the above.



What is "Lame ***" is Linux as a DAW platform.

20+ years behind Mac and PC
Far fewer developers
Miniscule user base (Mac/PC DAW user base in tiny compared to general-purpose users. Linux DAW users are a tiny percentage compared to Mac/PC).
Low demand (vs Mac/PC)
101 different OS variants
Near zero one-on-one support for less tech-savvy users

What does a miniscule user-base, few developers, and low demand result in? You guessed it, no significant profit.

The reality of the situation is that (especially in today's economy), companies can't afford thousands of man-hours (development)... for something that's not going to pay for itself.



If your life-savings was invested in a DAW software company, would you honestly think it a wise investment to develop a Linux DAW?

Lets say you've got 10 thousand man-hours in development cost (at $50/man-hour).

That's half a million dollars.

I don't know about you, but I'd want that $500,000 to generate a decent return on investment.

Mac/PC is going to have a much better ROI... because the user-base is much larger (far more potential customers).

Say Company X compiled the ultimate Linux DAW.

Legitimate support across the many different variants of Linux would be a nightmare (money and time).

Why do you think many laptop developers choose to hide BIOS parameters from end-users? It's not because it's beneficial from a performance standpoint, it's to save them from potential tech-support nightmare.



If you want to run a Linux DAW "just because you can"... more power to you.

For someone who has everything they want/need in a current Mac/PC DAW, where's the impetus to make a (less than lateral) move?

Emotional/philosophical reasons aren't going to motivate folks to take a significant step backward.

Remember when Mac/PC DAWs were starting to come about? Oh, this new DAW software is going to be the "ProTools killer".

Just because someone created an alternative (even if it's completely equal in features/function), that's not enough of a reason to get many folks to switch.

Linux as legitimate DAW platform (to completely rival Mac/PC) faces a nearly vertical slope.


People do seem to forget that in self contained audio hardware Linux rules

[[jur]]

Please keep it nice to each other, thanks.