16 Pitches for External Instruments

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helas
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16 Pitches for External Instruments

Post by helas » Mon Dec 08, 2025 7:15 pm

Hello forum. The 16 pitches feature for Push is really fantastic but there's just one problem I'm running into...

When trying to use the 16 pitches layout with external hardware, the note pitch information doesn't translate. No matter what pad I play in 16 pitches mode, the MIDI information is stuck to whatever the I/O note for that pad is set to, which is typically C3.

I'm using multiple instances of External Instrument, one on each pad, each sending MIDI on its own channel (perfect for hardware drum machines). This is amazing except, again, the 16 pitches layout feature on Push is just useless in this scenario. It's really holding back the potential of the Push Standalone.

My workaround for now is to have each External Instrument on its own track, but this is a killer for performing. Switching between tracks on the fly is so much harder when they're spread out across 16 tracks, half of them off screen.

Are there currently any plans to address this? I can't be the only one?

Edit: the Transpose knob on Push (which is on each pad of the drum rack) comes close to providing this functionality, but is not "playable" like proper pitched pads would be. What's interesting too is when turning the Transpose knob and playing on a drum rack pad, the 16 pitches pads light up in a glitchy way like they're tracking the pitched hits. But the pads are still not pitched themselves. So close.

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Re: 16 Pitches for External Instruments

Post by [jur] » Thu Dec 11, 2025 6:29 am

That's because 16 pitches use note pitch bend, not note transpose.
So if your external hardware doesn't support MPE, you'd need to translate these Note PB to proper transposed note values. It's doable in M4L.
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Re: 16 Pitches for External Instruments

Post by helas » Wed Dec 17, 2025 4:21 am

[jur] wrote:
Thu Dec 11, 2025 6:29 am
That's because 16 pitches use note pitch bend, not note transpose.
So if your external hardware doesn't support MPE, you'd need to translate these Note PB to proper transposed note values. It's doable in M4L.
Thanks for the reply. Based on this info, I made a temporary workaround by loading up MPE Control, checking the NotePB to PB box, then adding an Expression Control with Pitchbend mapped to a Pitch device. This gets pretty close to what I'm looking for.

It's not perfect though, it skips a semitone here and there. I don't know how to make M4L devices or else I would try that route. Would be nice to have a real solution if anyone out there is better at this stuff.

EDIT: I also added a MIDI Filter device from maxforlive.com to block the actual PB message from getting through too because that was skewing notes sharp or flat the further away from the root note I played. Here's a picture of the setup in case anyone else is interested to see.

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