So... Live on Linux?

[kitekrazy]

and just about every DAW out there, Pro Tools is still the industry standard, Cubase/Nunedo is the standard in the film indiustry

No guarantee audio interfaces will work.

if one wants to use ASIO4ALL and think they're cool for using Linux, by all means go at it

One will be waiting a long time for the audio industry to ever take Linux as a serious platform. Fanboys just can't swallow that reality.

[Machinesworking]

No guarantee audio interfaces will work.

There are all kinds of lists online of class compliant audio interfaces that work on Linux. My point was that even for Mac and Windows I don't see the logic of getting an interface that cannot work without a driver anymore.

if one wants to use ASIO4ALL and think they're cool for using Linux, by all means go at it

One will be waiting a long time for the audio industry to ever take Linux as a serious platform. Fanboys just can't swallow that reality.

The industry doesn't matter. Most people are writing as producing songs and film scores etc. in their house, even if they work for the "industry" so anyone can use anything for any reason they want to create audio files. Plus beyond not having nearly the same budget Bitwig is a serious DAW, same with Reaper.
Personally I don't see the point, right now, but I do not think it's not a serious platform. Win95 and OS9 were serious platforms, and at that time the industry was as small as the amount of soft and hardware that runs on Linux.

the point again is that nobody needs to take it seriously, anyone can choose what they use to deliver audio. I feel this conversation resembles the discussions people were having online years ago where Windows users were claiming Macs were a dead end and Windows would rule the DAW world etc..

[Tarekith]

I mean, they weren’t wrong. Who uses a Mac to make music these days? No one.

[kitekrazy]

No guarantee audio interfaces will work.

There are all kinds of lists online of class compliant audio interfaces that work on Linux. My point was that even for Mac and Windows I don't see the logic of getting an interface that cannot work without a driver anymore.

if one wants to use ASIO4ALL and think they're cool for using Linux, by all means go at it

One will be waiting a long time for the audio industry to ever take Linux as a serious platform. Fanboys just can't swallow that reality.

The industry doesn't matter. Most people are writing as producing songs and film scores etc. in their house, even if they work for the "industry" so anyone can use anything for any reason they want to create audio files. Plus beyond not having nearly the same budget Bitwig is a serious DAW, same with Reaper.
Personally I don't see the point, right now, but I do not think it's not a serious platform. Win95 and OS9 were serious platforms, and at that time the industry was as small as the amount of soft and hardware that runs on Linux.

the point again is that nobody needs to take it seriously, anyone can choose what they use to deliver audio. I feel this conversation resembles the discussions people were having online years ago where Windows users were claiming Macs were a dead end and Windows would rule the DAW world etc..

sounds like a myth

[kitekrazy]

I mean, they weren’t wrong. Who uses a Mac to make music these days? No one.

that can only be sarcasm

Hanz Zimmer uses PC because his systems are custom built and can be upgraded without throwing everything away. Most professional in the composing industry use custom built systems. Any of them break down there is no need to go to a certified Apple repair place. Look at all of the professional DAW builder and you wont see a Linux machine.

as for Linux for serious use in the media industry people long for the myth except those who are giants in the industry. Bitwig is not one of them. Reaper has a Linux version but those assigned to it are a small group.

Linux users are completely delusional and can't believe that it's superiority lies elsewhere just not in the music industry/

Make all of the arguments you want (yawn) but Audio developers will never take Linux seriously.

[Machinesworking]

I mean, they weren’t wrong. Who uses a Mac to make music these days? No one.

that can only be sarcasm

Hanz Zimmer uses PC because his systems are custom built and can be upgraded without throwing everything away. Most professional in the composing industry use custom built systems. Any of them break down there is no need to go to a certified Apple repair place. Look at all of the professional DAW builder and you wont see a Linux machine.

Zimmer uses PC's mostly because Cubase for years ran better on PC. Zimmer isn't worried about saving an outdated motherboard by installing incremental improvements to RAM and CPU etc. Not with his budget.

[smccarthy945]

Yes, us Linux users are a myth. This is why Linux desktop adoption increase 240% this past year, Windows 11 marketshare is declining and Windows 7 went up 5% because people don't want a bloated OS that steals your data, shows nonstop ads and tries to upsell you Microsoft services on your desktop.

You can argue all you want but the numbers don't lie. Next year Linux will be up to 10-12% adoption and will continue to increase. The question is whether Ableton is going to be at the front of that adoption or they are going to wait until the marketshare is there and they try to catch up.

Obviously there is a market there or Reaper and Bitwig would not have released a Linux version.

I mean, they weren’t wrong. Who uses a Mac to make music these days? No one.

that can only be sarcasm

Hanz Zimmer uses PC because his systems are custom built and can be upgraded without throwing everything away. Most professional in the composing industry use custom built systems. Any of them break down there is no need to go to a certified Apple repair place. Look at all of the professional DAW builder and you wont see a Linux machine.

as for Linux for serious use in the media industry people long for the myth except those who are giants in the industry. Bitwig is not one of them. Reaper has a Linux version but those assigned to it are a small group.

Linux users are completely delusional and can't believe that it's superiority lies elsewhere just not in the music industry/

Make all of the arguments you want (yawn) but Audio developers will never take Linux seriously.

[smccarthy945]

And I am also assuming Steam is investing millions into Proton which allows users to play Windows games on the Linux desktop because there is no market there right? They are just developing Steam/Proton for Linux and releasing their own Steam Linux distribution because there is absolutely no market whatsoever. They just love wasting money on useless goals.

[Machinesworking]

And I am also assuming Steam is investing millions into Proton which allows users to play Windows games on the Linux desktop because there is no market there right? They are just developing Steam/Proton for Linux and releasing their own Steam Linux distribution because there is absolutely no market whatsoever. They just love wasting money on useless goals.

Pretty much why I compared it to the situation with Apple in the early 2000's outside of audio, macs were around a 5% desktop market share in the USA, it's triple that now. Linux has an even better chance of becoming dominant since it can run Windows plugins and apps almost at native speeds, on hardware like the new Arm laptops that MS still isn't getting adoption on, that are pretty dammed great for things like running Live, if Live could run natively on Linux. Linux is at 6% desktop market share now. IMO in 20 years or less Linux could easily eclipse Windows.

[kitekrazy]

Yes, us Linux users are a myth. This is why Linux desktop adoption increase 240% this past year, Windows 11 marketshare is declining and Windows 7 went up 5% because people don't want a bloated OS that steals your data, shows nonstop ads and tries to upsell you Microsoft services on your desktop.

You can argue all you want but the numbers don't lie. Next year Linux will be up to 10-12% adoption and will continue to increase. The question is whether Ableton is going to be at the front of that adoption or they are going to wait until the marketshare is there and they try to catch up.

Obviously there is a market there or Reaper and Bitwig would not have released a Linux version.

I mean, they weren’t wrong. Who uses a Mac to make music these days? No one.

that can only be sarcasm

Hanz Zimmer uses PC because his systems are custom built and can be upgraded without throwing everything away. Most professional in the composing industry use custom built systems. Any of them break down there is no need to go to a certified Apple repair place. Look at all of the professional DAW builder and you wont see a Linux machine.

as for Linux for serious use in the media industry people long for the myth except those who are giants in the industry. Bitwig is not one of them. Reaper has a Linux version but those assigned to it are a small group.

Linux users are completely delusional and can't believe that it's superiority lies elsewhere just not in the music industry/

Make all of the arguments you want (yawn) but Audio developers will never take Linux seriously.

Which is meaningless. How many people do you think are assigned to work on a Linux version for Reaper? Maybe 3. Bitwig is very small development. They can afford to do that.

Using Steam is apple vs. oranges.

I guess you can continue to shout loud enough to change the reality of larger companies willing to take that risk on Linux in the DAW INDUSTRY but will not happen in your lifetime. Linux as an OS has failed on the commercial market more than once.

It's just a reality few can't accept and no real pro Linux arguments that are new under the sun.

[Machinesworking]

Again, Linux is now past the numbers Mac OS was at 20 years ago. The reality is Linux is growing in market share for the first time pretty much ever, and depending on how it goes, things like Microsofts ability or inability to shift people into new markets that will take over is going to make a difference. Apple Silicon did wonders for Mac OS, and Linux is already solid on Arm chips. That could drastically shift the desktop market.

Whatever people say about pro VS, the server market and big business is not what drives audio software, it's consumer driven period, end of. You can see that with Logic and the rebranded Fender Studio Pro getting massive new AI assistants etc. So when, not if, the backlash happens to profit driven, advertising, subscription, AI assisted, invasive OS etc. happens, Linux is there with two of the top ten DAWs already available.

I mean even with Ableton's own advertising on their front page, it's all bedroom producers. Three out of six of the pics with people in them show them in their home studio, or at the kitchen table even. The argument that pros drive the DAW industry is just wrong. Maybe 25 years ago, but not now.

[xnd_bogdan]

I actually gave up on ableton doing anything nice for linux and got bitwig. It's similar enough.
I'll obviously keep my license and might come back if things change.
But the wait has been too long and too disappointing, and using windows has been getting more and more unbearable.

[Machinesworking]

I actually gave up on ableton doing anything nice for linux and got bitwig. It's similar enough.
I'll obviously keep my license and might come back if things change.
But the wait has been too long and too disappointing, and using windows has been getting more and more unbearable.

I'm a longtime Mac user, but I've been curious about the new Arm laptops from MS and others, near the same power as the M6 and touch screens. Bitwig already are working on Arm compatible Linux versions. There's a lot of portability to be had in a touch screen laptop, plus the lack of issues with interference from the OS that Linux brings. That, and I would bet I could still piece together a high end touch screen laptop at almost half the price compared to a Macbook Pro and iPad.

[yur2die4]

Touch is great when the OS and software are built to work seemlessly with it. Otherwise it’s a kind of thing where it seems promising but mostly isn’t ideal. Would be great if Live beefed up its touchability.

Another thing to note is that so far kitekrazy hasn’t made any real valid statements. Just a lot of condescension and ‘what the pros do’. I don’t think any of that is 100% aligned with the intentions of this topic. Music making isn’t an exclusive art form, and it is good to acknowledge that music has always been about pushing frontiers and possibilities with what tech can and ‘can’t’ do.

I don’t see Ableton jumping to Linux in a heartbeat. But I think if they ended up releasing it, that’d be very awesome for those users.

[Machinesworking]

Touch is great when the OS and software are built to work seemlessly with it. Otherwise it’s a kind of thing where it seems promising but mostly isn’t ideal. Would be great if Live beefed up its touchability.

I have a Slate Raven 27" touch screen. It's fantastic for third party plugins that have resizable GUIs and are ergonomically designed, things like Pigments or pretty much any of the Arturia stuff, Plasmonic and the new Absynth 6, anything with decent distance between knobs and sliders. Live is not that touch friendly, but it's not terrible either.