MacOs 15.7.7 breaking Live 12.3.5 menu ?

[madlab]

Two or threee days ago I updated from 15.7.5 to 15.7.7 on my 16" 2021 M1 MBP. Since then I don't have anymore menu for Live 12.3.5. Live doesn't show the usual close / send to dock / full page buttons in the upright corner.
Live 12.4 works fine. For some reasons, I have to maintain compatibility for a while with this previous version because I have some shows made by somenone else in 12.3.5. Due to the recent launch of 12.4, I'm also reluctant to use it for a first time collaboration with a director.
Can anyone confirm this behavior ?

[madlab]

Really ? am I the only one who upgraded to MacOS 15.7.7 ?

[madlab]

Well,after a search in the forum, it looks like a problem for others too, back at least to version 11. So it doesn't seem to be related to MacOS version.
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After retesting 12.4.1, the problem exists but at least I can see and click the menu if I take the pointer up the screen. But as soon as I go back to the Live window, the menu AND the Live title bar disappear, and won't be back if I exit fullscreen using the bottom right yellow arrow. Using the key shortcut works fine.

@[jur] : any chance Ableton would adress this silly bug ?

[[jur]]

the problem exists but at least I can see and click the menu if I take the pointer up the screen. But as soon as I go back to the Live window, the menu AND the Live title bar disappear,

That's the expected behaviour with any fullscreen app on macOS... so I must be missing something here
Is that about mac laptops that have the camera black rectangle maybe? Is the menu always visible even in fullscreen on those machines?

[Rivanni]

Live 12.4 contains this fix:
"The macOS Dock and menu bar now appear when moving the mouse cursor to the corresponding screen edge."
I don't have problems in 12.3.8. Maybe the bug was present in 12.3.5, and it was fixed in 12.3.6 or later.


macOS has a setting that allows you to always show the menu bar in Full Screen.

[siliconarc]

If I use ctrl+cmd+F to enter fullscreen (not the green button), I see the same/similar issue (bottom of window cut off, missing traffic light buttons topleft) - but this only happens if the MacOS Mission Control setting 'Displays have separate Spaces' is disabled. Once 'Displays have separate Spaces' is enabled (requires a logout>login), fullscreen works as expected.

[madlab]

My bad, I had deactivated "screens have distinct spaces" a while ago to use Isadora and the new behavior that auto-manages app spreading across spaces caused this and other little weirdnesses.

[siliconarc]

it's still an ableton problem though - it handles that setting very badly. worth prodding them about it (i already did a while back)

[Rivanni]

Do you use a window manager app, like Moom, Rectangle, or BetterSnapTool, that adds more features for laying out windows?

[madlab]

Do you use a window manager app, like Moom, Rectangle, or BetterSnapTool, that adds more features for laying out windows?

No.