why click

Talpa · Post by **Talpa** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:13 pm

hi guys
i finished a track now and im in the mastering process. i use compressor II and waves' L2 on top of that and when i bounce the whole track down, i get high freq clicks at some points where peaks occur. is that because of the compressor parameters or L2 do you think?
or should i not try to do mastering in ableton live??
anyone have the same problem?

amo · Post by **amo** » Tue Nov 15, 2005 2:16 pm

Hi,

Do you hear the clicks when you rener the track before rendering ? If not, a workaround, and prefered option for me, is to use the resample function. Create a new audio track, set it to resample, and record a new clip of the whole track.
Then, either save your track as self contained or go to you sound foder before quiting Live and copy the resulting wave in the location of your choice.
Hope that helps,
amo

Talpa · Post by **Talpa** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:00 am

well i get the clicks after rendering the whole file. and actually it doesnt have to be exceeding the headroom limits, and i cant exactly understand why. i think it does this when a sudden change (such as a kick or a high volume click sound fires up)
ableton is not the best tool to do the mastering i think anyway, but theres sth wrong with cooledit also, thats why im using it for final mastering.

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:47 am

ableton works fine for mastering here. Try this, turn off you comp II and L2 on your master channel, (and any other effects on the master), and play you whole mix (or just render it), and make sure that you master level fader is in an appropriate spot so that when you playback (and render) the song without any master effects, the waveform is not clipping at all. If it clips, bring the master fader down til it doesn't clip. Ususally (for me at least) this means the master fader is down around -12dB, maybe up to -8dB, rarely more. Having an L2 on your master allows you to crank up the master fader without visible clipping, (techincally at least, the waveforms will never hit the rails) but the effect on the audio is not good. Make sure to set your master fader level WITHOUT any effects on the master channel at all. Then add your effects back in to taste. I actually render the song without master effects, then open up a new live file and add master effects(usually just L2) to this single stereo rendered file.

Ryan

datalyst studio · Post by **datalyst studio** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:10 am

this is interesting, as a side note, i had loaded a Waves Bundle and copied my waveshell .dll into my vst folder so i could use the waves direct X fx in Live...i had been doing this successfully, in Live versions 4 & the new update 5.0.2. for many songs for quite some time now...but i started having all sorts of problems recently (with clicks, pops and drop outs during playback and rendering)...i e-mailed ableton and they said that waves stuff doesn't work with live right now...i thought that was strange, i had been using many waves fx in ableton. seems you and others are using waves effects...but i wonder if the problems your having are related to the Waves compatibility that ableton told me about...their solution hasn't worked...right now i can't even get Live to launch...my next step is to reinstall ableton all over again and use up one of my installs.

best of luck.

max

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 5:37 am

probably not the ideal solution, but can't you still use version 4 with Waves?

datalyst studio · Post by **datalyst studio** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:21 am

i think so. however, any song i subsequently opened, worked on and saved in version 5.0 or later will no longer open in 4.

in terms of starting brand new songs, sure, in the interim using Live 4 works, but i am trying to finish a body of work right now.

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:19 pm

I wonder if there is anyone with some wisdom on these forums that might be able to tell you how to get your 5 sets to open in 4--could it be as simple as removing any instances of new effects, or is it more complicated. Maybe start a new thread in the general forum asking about opening Live 5 sets in 4. Also, another workaround that won't be much fun would be to render out each individual track with any effects in 5 (obviously with no Waves effects, sadly), then to start a new Live set in 4, drop all of your rendered tracks into 4, add you Waves effects, and continue on. Not ideal, and especially with effect chains, like where you might want a Waves C1 first and other Live effects after it, it could get problematic. Just a thought...good luck,

Ryan

Talpa · Post by **Talpa** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:26 am

well thanks guys for the help, but i tried everything i can think of.. i first bounced the track without the waves effects, then without ANY master effects... then i took the master volume to the halfway and bounced it again... then i tried to bounce the track as 44100 hz 16 bit.. i then uninstalled live 4.13, live 5.01 and 5.02 from my system and installed only 5.02, bounced it again... nothing works, i always get the continuous click at the left channel, and it does in another song, but it doesnt do it another one... WTF??????
am i cursed?

Talpa · Post by **Talpa** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 12:50 am

ok i got an idea... anyone know of any free vsts that can INVERT the audio??? (outputting the left channel to right and vice versa) so that i can have one normal bounced track and one inverted bounced track and i can have the both channels without clicks and can merge them in wavelab...

Ok, i found one and it didnt work either... when i inverted the audio, the clicks moved to the right channel now. what does the right channel have that the left doesnt? where is equality, where is human rights... stop channelism! im going completely insane
help pleasee...

quandry · Post by **quandry** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:27 am

have you tried to record the master into a new track in real time as I suggested, instead of rendering to disk? If the track plays back normally, this will work 99% of the time. I have experience issues with Live sets where I recorded all of the audio at 24/48--if I have Live set at 16/44.1 and am working on 16/44.1 sets, but then open up my set with 24/48 audio, I get crappy sounding stuff happening. Changing Live's settings to 24/48, closing the set, exiting Live, then reopening works every time. These are sets with tons of waves plugs, in version 3.0.2. As noted in a previous post, version 5 apparently does not officially work with waves plugs, maybe try version 4 if 5 is causing problems, at the very least to test it out. fwiw, having prior versions of Live on your system doesn't have any effect on subequent versions as far as I can tell, other than the newer version sometimes taking on the default set of the previous. A number of people have solved all of their issues with Live 5 by simply deleting the preferences file which controls this template set. Try to delete the preferences file for version 5, and it should open up to a new fairly stripped down set. Seems to have worked for a number of people here.

Ryan

Talpa · Post by **Talpa** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 1:42 am

quandry thanks so much first of all for help. i dont want to move them to live 4 because i use beat repeat a lot in this one

i just realized that its because of the rewire channels. i bounced down all 20 channels seperately and only the rewire channels which take audio in from reason 3 have these clicks. i didnt have this problem with live 4.13 as far as i can recall. ill try to bounce down all rewire channels from reason first, then import them to ableton. let me see if this works.. its going to be a burden.. puffff

yeah, thats it!!! its a REWIRE PROBLEM!!! it doesnt do it in the realtime playback, but once you bounce the whole track down, clicks used to start. and now, no more clicks whatsoever.
but im curious if anyone else has this problem. it could be a common problem for live 5, or could be just because of my computer.

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