BCR2000 as Mackie emu - recording knobs in session view

Me, Myself & I and I · Post by **Me, Myself & I and I** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 1:51 am

Is it possible with the BCR2000 running as Mackie emu to record knob movements (eg tweaking plugin parameters) in session view?

Been looking through the several threads here and tried different combinations with Midi Yoke but the results (if any) only produced midi-feedback.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:10 am

You can always rung mackie emulation without sending midi back to the unit. If you use something like the HuskerVU then visual feedback from the bcr isn't as important anyway.

Me, Myself & I and I · Post by **Me, Myself & I and I** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:26 am

Hi, maybe I expressed myself a bit unclear.

I'd like to record the knob tweaking of the BCR2000 (running as Mackie remote emu) eg for a vst fx directly in a session clip which I than can loop and stuff - something similar is mentioned here in some threads but I think they referred to assigned controllers via midi mapping.

So I'm not sure if it works also this way and if so how.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 10:28 am

Well afaik you can't assign the specific mackie controls to vsts as well.. But the bcr-mackie thing has some available knobs..

Me, Myself & I and I · Post by **Me, Myself & I and I** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:44 pm

Machinate wrote:Well afaik you can't assign the specific mackie controls to vsts as well.. But the bcr-mackie thing has some available knobs..

Uhh...sorry dont quite get that...

I mean you CAN control vsts via the bcr-mackie emu knobs (via the plugin button).
All I wanna do is recording the movements of those knobs in clips.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:13 pm

the thing about mackie control is that it's context specific, in other words, if you were able to record the signals, what would they be controlling?
As soon as an input is in mackie control mode, the session view can't record its controllers, so you would need to split the signal before it reaches Live somehow. Easy way of doing that: Physical loopback on the back of the bcr.

Me, Myself & I and I · Post by **Me, Myself & I and I** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:35 pm

Machinate wrote: As soon as an input is in mackie control mode, the session view can't record its controllers,

Hmm... I thought this is why Midi yoke drops in for virtual loopback.

Yeah, the knobs in Mackie mode are context specific but if I would have recorded a filter cut off automation of a vst and assign the knobs differently (unless if I havent assigned the BCR as remote out in Live) that shouldnt bother much I guess.

Anyways, seems to make sense what you are saying so I guess I have to fiddle around with the physical loopback solution unless someone give me another in detail solution.

Thanks for help.

Angstrom · Post by **Angstrom** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:43 pm

in general Live wont record assigned midi controllers into clips.

as weird as that sounds - it is a long running gripe of many users.
IE : Me

You can record un-assigned midi controllers into a session clip,
you can also record un-assigned (in Live) controllers that are assigned to a VSTi control via the vsti's own interface.(IE don't use live's midi learn)

But you cant record midi controllers assigned in Lives interface into session clips. As Mackie mode is assigning the bcr dials to Live controls - it falls into that last category.

apparently they decided this was a really good idea - to make Live inflexible, so that it only works one way with arrangement as the 'absolute value' and session as 'relative' (a long topic) and to make us less productive and/or creative as a side issue!

As you can tell this REALLY bugs me.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 2:58 pm

hehe, Angstrom, you're not alone

There are many possible improvements to be made in the automation area. Let's hope we see a bunch of them, hopefully as soon as 5.5.

Me, Myself & I and I · Post by **Me, Myself & I and I** » Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:41 pm

Angstrom wrote:in general Live wont record assigned midi controllers into clips.

as weird as that sounds - it is a long running gripe of many users.
IE : Me

You can record un-assigned midi controllers into a session clip,
you can also record un-assigned (in Live) controllers that are assigned to a VSTi control via the vsti's own interface.(IE don't use live's midi learn)

But you cant record midi controllers assigned in Lives interface into session clips. As Mackie mode is assigning the bcr dials to Live controls - it falls into that last category.

apparently they decided this was a really good idea - to make Live inflexible, so that it only works one way with arrangement as the 'absolute value' and session as 'relative' (a long topic) and to make us less productive and/or creative as a side issue!

As you can tell this REALLY bugs me.

I thought this thread
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 82&start=0

was the solution to it and I was just too dumb to get it working.

btw been through this absolute and relative value stuff before and yeah,
also think thats no good thing.