digsusting singapore

[LOFA]

.....man, we're talknig about executing a HEROIN TRAFFICKER, some of these chinese policies in tibet are resulting in brutal, nearly full term abortions of unwilling women who now have to live under the one child policy - and that is just to begin with.....

WTF?

This is so sick.

The world I wanted so much to grow up into never existed. It's always been fucked up.
Now-a-days it is just getting sicker and sicker with all of these noble acts slaughter, from US to singapore to Jerusalem.

I have had just about enough from righteous people taking other peoples lives,

On the flip side- I can't fucking believe that Canadian lady who raped tortured and killed two 12 year-old-girls is out of jail and officially allowed to be around children again!

[Machinate]

The world I wanted so much to grow up into never existed. It's always been fucked up.
Now-a-days it is just getting sicker and sicker with all of these noble acts slaughter, from US to singapore to Jerusalem.

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and the crazy thing about it: the world isn't getting sicker - the media's just getting better at telling us about sick shit...

[continuous]

More Planet of the Apes Bullshit....waste of a Great Planet's Potential I say...

(Sorry a dark moment shared...)

[noisetonepause]

I thik the real problem is the policies. I think all of this shit should be legal, controlled, but legal. If people want to smoke opium, or shoot dope, let them. Why should they be put in jail. I don't blame the dealers either I blame the policies. the policies create the criminal aspect and all of the violence associated. legalize it, legalize it all. Then we can charge them taxes. legalize and educate I say, not criminalize and propogandize.

("I dwell on all the black males doing time/got me wondering who invented motherfucking crime")

[noisetonepause]

The world I wanted so much to grow up into never existed. It's always been fucked up.
Now-a-days it is just getting sicker and sicker with all of these noble acts slaughter, from US to singapore to Jerusalem.

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and the crazy thing about it: the world isn't getting sicker - the media's just getting better at telling us about sick shit...

I don't think the world has changed since that bint ate the apple what the Boss had told her not to, metaphorically speaking... joonowa'ameen?

[anonymouse]

Singapore has emerged to offer its citizens the highest standard of living in the SE Asia region, having started out as a deeply impoverished slum not so many decades ago.

There are 1,000,000s of other people on the planet more worthy of pity than some scumbag drug trafficker. Selling heroine is selling death. Every single idiot who became an addict due to his profiteering deserves the sympathy, not him.

If all countries executed for drug trafficking crime then some real progress could be made.

[Machinate]

so you mean if he really really *wanted* to get out of crime he could have? And that there is no such thing as a social inheritence compelling him? Talk about original sin indeed. And how come all the poor people end up in jail for selling drugs, not the rich kids? Coincidence? Or a question of *will-power* perhaps?

Ursula K. Le Guin said it well, mate:
http://www.geocities.com/lneefe/omelas_intro.htm - very good story, and thought-provoking.

[D DAS]

it's insane that such barbarism can still exist in this day and age.

I'll tell you what's barbaric. Scum like him selling a filthy drug like heroin to fund an easy lifestyle. If he wants money he should earn it like the rest of us and pay in to the tax system. Not avoid paying tax by selling a life wrecking drug like heroin for cash off hopeless addicts.

I have seen first hand what heroin does to a family and it isn't pretty. Scum like him deserve no sympathy. He knew the risks and now he's paying the price.

I hate when you write a psot and submit it and it asks you to log in again and deletes what you wrote, so I will try to re write.


Celitc I 100% dissagree with your crap ass opinion and shit thinking.

You have obviously been completly brainwashed and conditioned to believe that smack and other street drugs are the devils poison; while at the same time you accepted the fact that alcohol and tobacco are ok,,,, well they aren't. Alcohol and Tobacco ruin a lot more lives and families on an annual basis than smack ever could. So get real facts down before you just prance along like a happy little kitten chanting the words and beliefs that your loving government have spoon fed you since birth. And make statements like some kid deserved to die because he was making a buck off a little dope.

Roughly 50,000 deaths per year are caused by all street drugs combined; Over half a million deaths a year are caused by alcohol and tobacco products, where is there death penalty? There isn't one, because they have a right to live and make a buck just like that poor austalian kid did.

I don't support drug use or sales of anykind, from alcohol to smack, I have been there and done that and made it out alive, but what someone wants to do with there life and there body is up to them, and just beacuse you don't agree with it does not mean anyone should die.

peace, d das

[sweetjesus]

Singapore has emerged to offer its citizens the highest standard of living in the SE Asia region, having started out as a deeply impoverished slum not so many decades ago.

There are 1,000,000s of other people on the planet more worthy of pity than some scumbag drug trafficker. Selling heroine is selling death. Every single idiot who became an addict due to his profiteering deserves the sympathy, not him.

If all countries executed for drug trafficking crime then some real progress could be made.

What price does one put on 'quality of life' ?

Is a new BMW worth having the government control your speech?

[elemental]

Free medical grade heroin for addicts was a real solution.
Try to get that in the US tho

-Ben

what someone wants to do with there life and there body is up to them, and just beacuse you don't agree with it does not mean anyone should die.

peace, d das

[Chris J]

If all countries executed for drug trafficking crime then some real progress could be made.

where are you from ?
You know that you would have to kill a lot of politicians, presidents.
It reminds me of what Chaplin's Mr Verdoux was about, if you kill a few people you will be considered as the most evil man on earth. If you kill thousands, it's war, it's acceptable.
Same for drugs, you're a user : scum of the earth, a dealer : deserves death.
If you're in the CIA shaking hands with drug cartels leaders, distributing heroin or crack in the poor areas to maintain anti-drug wars budgets and provide fresh and young workers for the juicy privatized prison business, that's acceptable. You can even write a book in 10 years explaining the methods, and enjoy the $$.

[forge]

I dont know, it feels to me like the main crux of it is getting missed here...

fact is he went there, and trafficked Heroin in a country where you would have to be very ignorant indeed to not know the punishment - especially as he was of asian origin and (vietnam? is that where his family was from?) is one of the countries in the region that still executes. (Which reminds me, Gary GLitter will be next, and who's going to defend that sick fucker??I'm sure the 12 to 15 year old girls he was shagging were just as willing as all the herion addicts Ngyuen would have satiated.....)

All this attention and sympathy just feels wrong to me, misplaced.

I dont nor have I ever supported capital punishment, nor corporal punishment, and for that reason I woudnt go to any middle eastern country that cuts of your hand for stealing and steal.

My feeling is it was this Ngyuen guy who has done this to his mother, not the Singapore government. It is his actions that lead him down this path and now leave his mother bereaved. He did it to her. It seems totally crazy and typical of this western culture of shifting the blame and not taking responsibility for one's own actions and actually being angry at the Singapore government for doing what is their policy and which everyone knows is their policy.

If there's some deeply wholistic reason I'm missing why this guy's case is so special and deserving of attention then someone please tell me, but personally I think if you dont want to be punished in a way you disagree with, then dont go to a country that uses it and commit a crime...fairly cut and dry really...

and now it's like he's turning into some kind of martyr..christ, the Queensland government convened to have 1 minutes silence today for the fucker, the opposition boycotted it saying "it's inappropriate to honor a convicted drug trafficker" and I agreed.
A minutes silence for a heroin trafficker????

would they have done the same for any street kid that might have ODed on his gear? doubt they'd even hear about it......

[jeskola]

in kualu lumpur, the hotel we were staying in had a card on the table telling you what would happen depending on what you were cuaght with... i found a lump of hash in my rucksak from home

maybe would have lost a finger for that

But on a tour of the city (what a fantastic city it is too, wild) , the highlight was a mural (largest in the world the guy said) round this giant square ... inside the square was a tower with a noose at the top - inside the square were cages all facing the noose and inside the cages were people all facing where they were going (maybe 10 or 15 years wait)... the tour guide cheerily told us they were all drug smugglers, and that the hangman was the highest earner in KL.

On anther trip i was in Antigua - Marijuan grows free EVERYWHERE.
again warned you face 5 years in jail for even smokign a spliff.
but its everywhere, you could smell it wherever you walked!!

[Rajah]

at least the ones in america had a penalty chosen for the crime.

in the case of of Nguyen, it was a mandatory death sentence... no consideration to a punishment other than that.

So what about those junkies that would Kill and Rob for a hit?
Is the Drug Smuggler not responsible for their addiction?
I think you need to look at HISTORY (Opium War and the Opening of China) to understand Singapore's position. I am not too sure I agree with Singapore's solution... But then again seeing how drugs have destroyed communities and families, I do have to wonder.


World History is not what you have leant riding that Yellow Bus.

BRITAIN GETS MONOPOLY ON OPIUM TRADE
Karl Marx wrote in "Genesis of the Industrial Capitalist," Volume One of "Capital": "The English East India Company, as is well known, obtained, besides the political rule in India, the exclusive monopoly of the tea-trade, as well as of the Chinese trade in general, and of the transport of goods to and from Europe. ... The monopolies of salt, opium, betel and other commodities, were inexhaustible mines of wealth."

So while the Chinese government was taking stronger and stronger measures to end the opium trade, the British were doing all they could to increase it.

Britain's East India Company would wage three wars on the people of China in order to secure the right to sell opium there. These wars for imperialist plunder and to open up new markets determined the fate of Hong Kong.

They were the world's first drug wars. Their sole purpose was to secure the importation of an addictive substance that provided a bountiful flow of profits.

Opium sales had risen gradually from 2,330 chests in 1788 to 4,968 chests in 1810. But once the British got a monopoly, they forced it up to 17,257 chests in 1835, worth millions of British pounds.

Britain's governor-general of India wrote in 1830, "We are taking measures for extending the cultivation of the poppy, with a view to a large increase in the supply of opium."

The Opium War of 1839-42 started when the Chinese imperial government confronted foreign merchant ships and demanded they surrender their illegal cargo. Capt. Elliot, superintendent of the British fleet, asked the governor-general of India for as many ships as he could spare.

He sent them to Hong Kong, where they protected the opium-carrying merchant vessels. Chinese junks sent by the emperor didn't stand a chance against the British warships.

Rowntree wrote that the British were "in a great hurry to make money out of the East, and the gunboats were found to clear the way quickly. All vestiges of compassion for mankind had been swept away by the silver stream of rupees which poured into the Calcutta Exchequer."

The wars waged on the Chinese people caused untold deaths and casualties. The British destroyed, plundered, looted and raped their way along the coast of China.

http://www.serendipity.li/wod/hongkong.html

[anonymouse]

Singapore has emerged to offer its citizens the highest standard of living in the SE Asia region, having started out as a deeply impoverished slum not so many decades ago.

There are 1,000,000s of other people on the planet more worthy of pity than some scumbag drug trafficker. Selling heroine is selling death. Every single idiot who became an addict due to his profiteering deserves the sympathy, not him.

If all countries executed for drug trafficking crime then some real progress could be made.

What price does one put on 'quality of life' ?

Is a new BMW worth having the government control your speech?

As quality of life includes low crime, excellent public services, wealth, healthcare, political stability etc the vast majority of singaporeans are perfectly happy to live under a quasi-democracy given the transformation of the country that has been achieved by Mr. Lee and his son.

I wouldn't call the USA an good example of freedom of speech or democracy. Most of the government is unelected, presidential candidates emerge only from the pockets of vested-interests, not from the broad electorate and the US mass media is controlled by the military-industrial complex to such an extent that free speech is limited to the fringes.