MIDI BUG causing latency

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:54 pm

lasercade wrote:So I'm trying to use the workaround and I'm having some trouble. Can anyone tell me if my procedure is correct?

1. I create a midi track 1 and add a software instrument. I set this track's monitoring to "IN"

2. I create a second miditrack and Record Enable it. I set monitoring to OFF and Record my midi to this track.

3. I take the recorded midi in track to and drag it over to track 1 and turn to AUTO.

When I do this, the resultant track is now EARLY instead of late (I'd say about a 32nd note. Can anyone give me any clues as to what might be happening and where to look to fix this?

Thanks for your help and I hope Ableton is working on a fix release very soon - I just purchased the software and was wondering why my playing had gotten so bad!!!

yes it is correct, but when the VSTi is greedy or the song is CPU intensive, it shifts the notes too much ahead.

lasercade · Post by **lasercade** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:15 pm

hmm
Well the test i did was with an empty set...
I was using Imposcar which is a pretty cpu effecient synth, and I'm on a laptop with a 2.8 centrino XP2 service pack 2, so it's not a power thing I should think.

Anything else it could be?

thans,

mm

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:46 pm

really ? sorry can't help

icedsushi · Post by **icedsushi** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:20 pm

round and round we go...

Hey look, now this thread is right next to the "where is 5.0.3 thread".

Could this be one of the last posts on this thread...could it be true that this thread will die soon?! Maybe I'm gonna miss posting here. It's like a bad break up. I was getting so used to hanging here.

I think there could be light at the end of the tunnel boyz.

LesC · Post by **LesC** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:15 pm

NO JOY!

As far as I can tell the new beta does not address this problem at all. Unbelievable.

icedsushi · Post by **icedsushi** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:25 pm

Thanks for the info LesC. Update here:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 533#202533

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Wed Dec 07, 2005 11:01 pm

I will add a bump here - as this & the rewire timming issue appear to be issues which are crucial for anyone wanting to easily achieve tight timing whilst using rewire applications or vsti's.

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 1:35 pm

So what's the score here ?
No improvement in sight ?

6 months ago Alex was sort of realizing the problem while discribing it, 4 months later with 5.0.2 we found out they'd forgotten about the contradictions that were used as excuses.

Where are we now ?

in a DAW that can't record midi properly ???

kineticUk · Post by **kineticUk** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 8:05 pm

That is so true Chris J
Ableton get the midi sorted out

Cryptic UK · Post by **Cryptic UK** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 9:48 am

The truth is out there.

but not from ableton.

deckme(N)tal · Post by **deckme(N)tal** » Mon Jan 30, 2006 3:58 pm

re-re-re bump....
live 5.03 has got better midi...but the latency is always there...

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:51 pm

mr-e · Post by **mr-e** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:31 am

I always had problems with midi & audio , but after reading this thread I thought my problems would be fixed by switching monitoring off on every track ...

today a friend of mine came by to record some raps :
- i used 1 impulse for raps
- 3 tracks of quantised (aka programmed with the mouse) midi routed to my virus B
--> all ran in perfect sync

BUT
even with monitoring swithed OFF on all tracks including the audio , the vocal track had a delay of 79 ms while my EMI 2/6 was set to a latency of 14 ms ... can anybody explain????????

how am I supposed to rationaly adjust the latency in ableton's preferences if there is absolutely no link between my soundcard's latency and the actual delay I get on my audiotracks ???????????

amo · Post by **amo** » Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:05 am

mr-e wrote:I always had problems with midi & audio , but after reading this thread I thought my problems would be fixed by switching monitoring off on every track ...

today a friend of mine came by to record some raps :
- i used 1 impulse for raps
- 3 tracks of quantised (aka programmed with the mouse) midi routed to my virus B
--> all ran in perfect sync

BUT
even with monitoring swithed OFF on all tracks including the audio , the vocal track had a delay of 79 ms while my EMI 2/6 was set to a latency of 14 ms ... can anybody explain????????

how am I supposed to rationaly adjust the latency in ableton's preferences if there is absolutely no link between my soundcard's latency and the actual delay I get on my audiotracks ???????????

Hello,

See the lesson (view menu/ lessons) about latency compensation. It helps you tweak the overall latency in your system, and you should be fine.

Cheers,
amo

mr-e · Post by **mr-e** » Fri Feb 03, 2006 6:31 am

Hello,

See the lesson (view menu/ lessons) about latency compensation. It helps you tweak the overall latency in your system, and you should be fine.

Cheers,
amo

thx for the tip , feel kind of stupid never having checked that as most of the time I'm the first to scream RTFM

I have to note though that the overal latency differs each time I try it (even with 10 sec intervals) : it goes from +- 75 to 95 so I set it to 85, but i guess that's more a driver issue with my emi2/6 (on winXP) than ableton instability . The midi-timing issue is solved though with the monitoring set to off