Reason and Live...again...ReDrum pattern changing

drummond · Post by **drummond** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 2:56 pm

Hello lovely people who can help me.

I've just got Reason 3, and have had many hours of almost pure joy hooking it up with Live, the stuff you can create makes...nice...things...happen...anyway, there's one thing that's bugging me and can't figure out:

How do you get Live to change the ReDrum pattern in Reason? I'm using Reason pretty much as a synth rack as it make beautiful sounds and Live as a controller & everything else as it's amazing in itself, but this one thing would make a nice thing ever so much nicer...I use a midi pedal to trigger scenes (& therefore clips) in Live, and having a midi clip automatically change the ReDrum pattern would be sweet.

Anyway. Any help would be appreciated! Ta.

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 3:05 pm

This may not be as helpful as I intend it to be, but why are you using the redrum sequencer? Why not just program all the midi in live, since you already have a controller setup ready to go?

Dunno, but it seems a bit convoluted to trigger clips that trigger sequences in another program when you don't really have to.

smart1123 · Post by **smart1123** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 4:29 pm

make a midi track routed to your redrum, make a clip in that track. In the clip enveloped window use the dropdown menu to select pattern change (I think it's CC#4 but not sure as I haven't used reason for a while) then draw in the pattern number you want -1 (so pattern A1 = 0 pattern A2 = 1) into the clip(s). I had to play with it a bit but I remember getting this to work.

drummond · Post by **drummond** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 5:31 pm

Cheers Mr Smart, that sounds just the ticket! I shall have a go at that tonight!

I'm using the ReDrum seq. at the moment as I find it a lot easier to whack in a straight 4/4 rhythm & simple embellishments (for writing stuff at rehearsals) in ReDrum than Live, and same for when I can't be bothered rigging everything up together between the two programs.

I know, I'm lazy

Shame you can't automatically copy the patterns over from ReDrum to Live afterwards but that'd just be too much

4ace · Post by **4ace** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 7:48 am

drummond wrote:Cheers Mr Smart, that sounds just the ticket! I shall have a go at that tonight!

I'm using the ReDrum seq. at the moment as I find it a lot easier to whack in a straight 4/4 rhythm & simple embellishments (for writing stuff at rehearsals) in ReDrum than Live, and same for when I can't be bothered rigging everything up together between the two programs.

I know, I'm lazy

Shame you can't automatically copy the patterns over from ReDrum to Live afterwards but that'd just be too much

That's funny i just did this EXACT thing tonight...Here's how......

Make your pattern(s) in redrum Then click on the pattern to track in the reason file or edit menu.Highlight the pattern you want and export to desktop.
Then click and drag into live.

I explained it much longer than it takes.

Besides that you can always just use the live clip window to put a beat together triggering ANYTHING in reason.Just spend some time playing around.

I'm just getting into rewiring these apps and so far it kicks ass.Now all i need is Reason 3.0 for the combinator and it's of to the races.

Zilch · Post by **Zilch** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:07 am

off to the races indeed. i just upgraded both apps and it is beautiful. especially seeting up multiple Live tracks going to the same combinator and useing one for notes and one to control those ultra progamable combinator knobs. gotta love being able to affect multiple parameters by diff amounts. hey ableton, hint hint.

FaX-01 · Post by **FaX-01** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:24 am

In Live

1.Set 2 tracks up .
one Midi
one Audio

2.Open Reason - Create Combinator place Redrum Incombinator.

3.Assign Knob 1 on the Combinator too control patter number and set controller range (this can control anything from 2 patterns to all 16 in all sections if needs be).

4.Assign Combinator as Audio Input device & Midi channel as output device to combinator

5.Creat Midi track in device Properties highlight Combinator and Knob one as controller.

6.Draw controller Midi data for knob one in clip envelope properties.

HINT 1 - use other knobs to control say snare pitch / kick decay / hihat pan for example and draw automation data in clip properties window.

HINT 2 - you can also program hit's and flams / etc to over dub on certain patterns via the designated midi channel.

HINT 3 - in arranger view use the above technique. Creat a Midi data lane the length of entire composition with set vlank patterns + other patterns needed in Redrum. Automate the pattern data via clip envelope for the entire arrangement for all the drumfills / breaks etc you need in your linear arrangement.

HINT 4 - for random insane Square pusher madness drop a Maelstrom into same Combinator and use the wave form shapers set to tempo sync to control Redrum pattern changes and mod the tempo resolution and shape of the waveforms via the Combinators control panel using the same clip envelope Combi control techniques.

TheAnimal · Post by **TheAnimal** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:11 am

Thank you all! Just the tips I've been looking for. Redrum is quite nice to teach my child rhythm. And if the patterns can be exported to Live - that's even better!

grfld · Post by **grfld** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:44 am

TheAnimal wrote:And if the patterns can be exported to Live - that's even better!

For detailed instructions, just take a look at the manual (at page 12)

x/grfld

TheAnimal · Post by **TheAnimal** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:10 pm

grfld wrote: For detailed instructions, just take a look at the manual (at page 12)
x/grfld

Thanks a lot for the reference! (In my manual it's on page 9, though.) I wish I knew all the manuals by heart. But that's simply not the case.

grfld · Post by **grfld** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:27 pm

TheAnimal wrote:(In my manual it's on page 9, though.

Sorry. I took only a look for the german one.

I woulld only give a reference to some similar tasks, e.g. copying Matrix' Steps and Dr.Rex slices, too. (No typical RTFM-fame was intendet!)

x/grfld

TheAnimal · Post by **TheAnimal** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:31 pm

Yeah, you're right. I almost always prefer the english manual, because I don't trust translations unless a german manual comes from a german company like Ableton or RME.

But the real problem is: no matter how often I look at manuals - I only remember the parts that were meaningful to me at that moment. So it can be a lot of fun re-reading manual from cover to cover every now and then. If only my girlfriend didn't have other plans for christmas...