creating Moroder style synths in Live

synthpopkid · Post by **synthpopkid** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 1:26 pm

Oh and for that authentic Italo bassline, have a look round for any Juno samples on the net.

paolo topaz · Post by **paolo topaz** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 2:37 pm

Thanks amillion for the tips guys! They're savage!

Again please forgive my newbieness, but when you're talking about drawing in notes on the 16ths or alternatively the 8ths, over a one bar MiDI clip, what markers intervals would they fall on? and is they're a set note length? i.e. should there always br a note playing or can you have gaps between the notes

thanks again for the very helpful advice

Paolo

BTW, what did you guys think of 'Hugs&Kisses'?

synthpopkid · Post by **synthpopkid** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 4:44 pm

Ok I'm gonna let someone else answer this cause i don't make music!

"Once on TV I caught a glimpse of Giorgio Moroder talking about making the song I feel love. He used a step sequencer to play 8s on the synth - c8 c g b (I am using Lilypond notation). Whilst the loop was playing Georgio switched on a delay. By chance, it happened to be set to playback 16s. We now have c16 c c c g g b b. When Donna Summer came in to sing the vocal it was in the wrong key so she had to sing falsetto. Result - the definitive electronic disco master piece."

http://www.danb.dircon.co.uk/music/

http://musicthing.blogspot.com/2004/12/ ... sline.html

So basically there should be 4 bass notes in ever bar, but only two of them in the clip. The other two are generated by a delay set to 16s.

paolo topaz · Post by **paolo topaz** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:50 pm

cheers for the tips synthpopkid,

again apologies for the stupid questions but the C8 c g b notes, how do they translate in terms of drawing notes into a MIDI clip in Live, notes and note lengths for a 1 bar clip

thanks amillion for the help

Paolo

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 6:57 pm

Curious - are you looking for something like this?

go to me soundclick page and check this out

www.soundclick.com/djadonis206

songs called "Megadeath" for the simple fact the idea came from an old Megatone record

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paolo topaz · Post by **paolo topaz** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:12 pm

Dja donis,

that's exactly the kind of sound I'm looking for! That lovely rolling sound, any tips on how to start making some of these sounds?

cheers

Paolo

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:43 pm

couple ways you could do it - Ableton has a arp, I think a Saw Tooth waveform and Square waveform together tuned down (with more saw than square or vice versa)

set your arp to 16th and draw straight notes with a fifth or whatever every couple of beats (this only needs to be 1/2 a bar repeated)

so it'd be like on the
1___1/2____1/3____1/4-------2 1___2/2____2/3____2/4-------2 3 repeat

the nice thing about midi notes is you can just move them around until you get that sound

or you can take one of those moroder beats and drop into Recycle - extract the groove (take note of where the arp notes shift up or down) and then export the midi file

your notes are going to be going up so you'll have to flatten them and join a few but make note of where the up and down goes - drop an arp on top of that

or you could just sample what you're looking for, cut it up in Recycle so it's not a straight jack move and get on with it

Hope this help if not shoot me a PM and maybe we can send some ALS back and forth? I'm always looking for people to work with or just fool around with - if you like the moroder style shit (I LOVE IT)

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paolo topaz · Post by **paolo topaz** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 9:51 pm

I just PMed you Djadonis,

cheers

Paolo

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:05 pm

Big Moroder style arp bass

just the arps

Hey people. This is what I came up with. Don't know if it's "authentic" or anything, but it sounds good

I found that sandwiching two arps around a chord unit lets you play the arp right, even with shitty timing. Have fun!

paolo topaz · Post by **paolo topaz** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:12 pm

cheers for the post, machinate, I opened the links but it just looks iike another language!

How can I use these these links?

paolo

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:16 pm

They are device chains for Live 5. Just drag them into your set and they'll load like they're supposed to.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 10:17 pm

paolo topaz wrote:cheers for the post, machinate, I opened the links but it just looks iike another language!

How can I use these these links?

paolo

Alt-click or right-click and save-as....

cosmosuave · Post by **cosmosuave** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:17 pm

You need to think about the time that Feel love came out which was 1975 and what equipment was used at that time... This would of been an analogue monophonic synth and analogue sequencer.... Like others have mentioned you will need a bit of delay as well...

Also an analogue synth using a square wave with fast attack and a short decay setting or a sample... I have strived for this sound as well.... In Lives midi editor start off at C1 for a 1 bar loop....

Set grid for 16th quantisation or 32 (but place notes on 16th spacing)...

Notes 1 to 4 make C1
Notes 5 to 6 make D1
Notes 7 to 8 make E1
Notes 9 to 12 make C1
Notes 13 to 14 make D1
Motes 15 to 16 make 0A#

You can vary these but keep note intervals between 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 12 ...You may want to turn snap to grid quantization off and nudge notes here there to creata a groove and vary volume on some notes....

Hope this makes sense... Key is to keep it simple...

paolo topaz · Post by **paolo topaz** » Wed Dec 14, 2005 11:37 pm

cheers mate, I'll try it out now, just upgraded to Operator, hopefully it will pay off

thanks again

Paolo

andrewbrewer · Post by **andrewbrewer** » Thu Dec 15, 2005 12:52 am

paolo topaz wrote:cheers mate, I'll try it out now, just upgraded to Operator, hopefully it will pay off

thanks again

Paolo

paolo, my response is not so related to your question, but I'm a huge moroder fan (peops: don't forget "take my breath away" by berlin -- ahem -- moroder...hehe)

operator will pay for itself! go to the soundwrecks website ... they have a great free download of operator patches, killer stuff.
also, their soundwrecks pack kicks major ass