REASON FCKN SUCKS theres a better prog

[sonsofthehounds]

aye right.

[ekitel]

I don't think Reason sounds very good either, it's actually a matter of fact, Reason sounds worse than almost anything! You can make cool tracks with it, but then you have to mix them down with a lot of plugins in ProTools to make them sound good, polishing a turd like somebody said. I do kind of like the filters though, they have an interesting character. I don't think Waves native plugins sound very good either, they degrade the sound too much. Also Native Instruments don't sound that great, they sound kind of thin to me, and like they're trying to be too cute. You know what does sound really good, Garage Band! I don't know Logic but I assume that sounds really good too since GB is based on it. Ableton live sounds pretty good, could be better, but it's definitely good enough that I'm confident working with it. Protools sounds better, too bad the interface is kind of retatded plus their hardware requirements. The greatest thing to me, however are the sounds of all those old 303's, 808's and 909's when they're plugged directly into a sound system. Check out a Mark Verbos like PA some day

[jasefos]

I still wish that propellerheads would just split off each reason rack module into a VST and sell them all seperately.... their sequencer sucks, and it's basically a legacy application.

That being said, I still love working with some of the reason machines... I like the redrum and the maelstrom a lot. I just wish that the prop shop would get with the times and not force people to use the giant legacy app just to get to them.

I understand where your coming from. But for Hip hop, Industrial, BreakBeat, House, Rock, Trance commercial, D&B etc etc it's about the samples and knowledge, and I only say this to help you out. Most so-called "producers" DON'T want to "help" anyone out EVER. (The underdogs) A person using Wavelab and Ableton with a proper collection of samples and a small vst rig....maybe Minimonsta and NI's "Guitar rig" alone should be able to take over the planet. Same goes for a Mac guy using Ableton and Peak with near the same scenario should be kicking ASS. Don't be fooled by bullshit, and dig deeper as to what can get you closer to your goals. Yea, I hammered Reason, because theres something better. Be the best you can be and investigate your shit. If music is important to you fckn take 2 days on the net DEEP and find out what in the hell producers are using; even on a budget.

MAte .... if Reason was as crappy as you say why is it then my friend Endorphin did ALL the synth parts for his latest album "Shake It" entirely within Reason (with vocal parts done in Cubase SX and Reason Rewired into Cubase). Reason is his primary writing tool these days (not for reasons of economy either - he's ditched all his hardware synths).

The intention of Reason is to replace a conventional hardware workstation synth - which it does admirably with the latest update. In fact I'd find it hard work within the "finite" confines imposed in even the most advanced hardware workstation synths.

Shitty FX in Reason ?
um ... that may be a valid criticism in Reason 2.0 and earlier however Reason 2.5 added the mighty sounding RV7000 Reverb (sounds on par with hardware verbs around the $2K mark) and Scream4Sound distortion modeller (fantastic).

Reason is also the most CPU efficient environment I've worked with ... Stability is another major advancement. Reason's NNXT sampler is possibly most awesome sampler for drum kit construction also. Maelstom keeps me amused with synth textures I haven't found elsewhere yet.

For live performances I'm considering purchasing an additional additional laptop to run as purely a Reason3 workstation. The Combi patches you can setup for performance keyboard playing can be so very detailed and complex with no limit on insert effects processing. This way I'll be able to perform and jam on Reason without concern for ReWiring Reason into live on the 1 laptop.

I guess you could say I'm a fan of Reason ...

Of course we'd all like it to do VST hosting, Audio input and Audio recording however there are other tools which do this and Reason lends itself well to integrating into DAW's which do these things.'

Cheers

[forge]

What about Fruity Loops?

Fruity loops is FAR FAR better bang for buck, you can do anything with it, and it's vst/dx/rewire etce etc AND you get free upgrades for life AND you can buy all the add ons extra only if you want them!

IMO Fruity gets far less praise than it's due..maybe cause there are so many mac users in music.

Having said that I almost never use it - but it's kind of on a par with reason - a learning tool which you ditch when you can afford better.

Beacuse I own Live 5, NI Komplete2 and Waves Platinum plus Microtonic and a few other great plug-ins there isnt anything in reason or FLS can do I cant do elsewhere better

[bingo]

am getting tired of people blaming the tool..
if it does not work for you fine.... ok get over it..
but all that bizzzzziiitchin is like girling..
Lets do this? You pick your soft
project 5
any vst plug effects or instruments
fruity loops
Orion, ect..

Hell... you can even use live5 if you dare?
and we can battle set for set or song for song..
we can do it online somewhere or at a club anywhere
you bring ya crew i will bring mine.
and i will bust your ass with reason.
bar for bar and beat for beat..
from now on when ever i see
someone girling like this
i will challenge them to a
straight out battle.
i dont care what soft they wanna use..

[computo]

jase is right about the fx in R3...the mastering suite is sick...

and I meant no disrespect to jackal and hyde, everyone has their own methods.

and I agree with his assertion that just shitting around with the sameoldbullshit is lame, and no way to grow or learn.

But you must assume a lot to say that people JUST use Reason and Live, because there is a BUTTLOAD of unique software out there.

SOundhack for example. or Max.

Plus Reason is designed in such an all encompassing manner, that you can use it in a billion different ways. I use it in a bunch of different ways, just in a live setting.

[glitchrock-buddha]

One thing that doesn't get mentioned much is how amazing reason is on cpu load. It's not just good on cpu, it's retardedly, supernaturally amazing on cpu. Playing with the demo, I couldn't believe how many synths and effects you can have going, and not see the cpu meter ever go past half way (on my powerbook). Now, such being the case, obviously that lack of power consumption must come at a price. I have to agree with those who don't love the sound. While the new effects sound good (especially the reverb, mastering suite and scream), I really don't like the synths overall, even with the combinator, it just always has that "reason" sound. You can make some very complex sounds with it, but I guess when I'm comparing it to Native Instruments or Logic, I'm just underwhelmed.

I used to use reason at version one, and was very happy with it. Of course you can make great tunes with it, it just comes down to personal taste. I was recently considering getting reason 3 because of how efficient it is, but I realized that I would rather have to bounce instruments that I personally love, than use reason.

But for those who enjoy reason, I only wish I could say the same, for the sake of my poor lowly 1.67ghz G4 processor!

cheerio,

grb

[glitchrock-buddha]

oh ya, and I f'n hate all those wires.

grb

[JACKAL & HYDE]

I don't think Reason sounds very good either, it's actually a matter of fact, Reason sounds worse than almost anything! You can make cool tracks with it, but then you have to mix them down with a lot of plugins in ProTools to make them sound good, polishing a turd

Isn't that the whole point? Why....? You've got Ableton with all of its secrets/plugs yet people rewire slappy Reason into it? And it sounds like 2D shit across the board. Almost anyone can hear a crap Reason record a mile away. Thats already been posted on this thread by other people...

IMO - Its like graduating the Air Force Academy, going through flight jet school and then finally getting your own F-16 with your name on the side of it. Then, Keyboard magazine comes along & cons a bunch of peeps and straps a 45 pound turkey to one of your F-16's wings (using rewire of course) and then claims your plane will fly better somehow. Its crap... I don't understand why anyone who truly owned Ableton would buy Reason instead of a way more powerful vst plug... It makes no sense whatsoever.

If you didnt have Ableton, and only had Reason, fine whatever...
But to mix them both is ridiculous considering the options for the same price.. Its like pouring mud into a dragster engine instead of high octaine gas... If it works for you, thats just great. Remember>


2 cents & just my opinion

[Johnisfaster]

I still think reason 3 has it's place in the world but it should probably be rewired..

someone said garageband had a better sound? I read that up above.... wow...

oh and I do agree with the whole fruityloops thing. it's always been far more advanced than reason and far less respected due to it's name and look. but if you simply look at features it's very easy to see that it beats reason in the specs. if not simply for it's vst and dx compatability. (though reasons cpu performance wins the compare test). and you can "route" things just like in reason using the controllers in it fruity. and you don't have to use those damn cables which is a stupid graphical jerk off feature. and all sorts of other boring stuff that everyone likes to talk about. but I honostly think if more people actually tried programs they would find a use for them and end up spending less time bit**ing online about how they can't make good music.

I heard once a guy made a pipe thingy and called it a digeridoo. but it's features were far lacking and he couldn't make a hit record with that damn pipe thingy. so he dumped it for a far more advanced nose flute.

basically I think people should shut up and stop speaking their mind on pretty much every subject you can throw out there. including myself. people have been making non hit records for thousands of years and they loved doing it. I think the people that bitch about features in their software need to remember how to love music and stop loving their pretty gui.

[JACKAL & HYDE]

basically I think people should shut up and stop speaking their mind on pretty much every subject you can throw out there..

Hitler - 1937


j/k

[Machinate]

Aren't dragsters like drummers?Don't they run on alcohol?

[Ken Ken]

The engine is absolute CRAP by any standard and your locked into thier ugghhhh... plugs whatever. If you want better results with the same type of "rewire" plug/daw wanna-be prog get 'Orion' at least for gods sakes. It's just like "reason" exept you can use DX/Vst plugs and Vsti's until your head blows off with a better engine to boot and it rewires like a mofo. Shit, if I was a new programmer I'd get neither and just hammer Ableton until a smash record came out, but if I had to choose, I'd def pick 'Synapse Orion' over slap ass 'over hyped' "Reason' any damn day. If I was dead and in Hell, and the devil said he'd let me go if I made him a smash fckn record in any genre; but all I could use was 'reason', I wouldn't even try. I'd just jump into the pit and get it over with. At least with Orion I'd have a prayer. For around the same price....

2 tiny pennies:)

I know some big name producers and bands that swear by it. Prodigy for one.

Quite simply...you must not know how to use it properly.

[supster]

Waves native plugins degrade the sound too much.

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 Native Instruments don't sound that great, they sound kind of thin to me, and like they're trying to be too cute

*ackkk* ... just swallowed my coffee down the wrong pipe ...
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[JACKAL & HYDE]

The engine is absolute CRAP by any standard and your locked into thier ugghhhh... plugs whatever. If you want better results with the same type of "rewire" plug/daw wanna-be prog get 'Orion' at least for gods sakes. It's just like "reason" exept you can use DX/Vst plugs and Vsti's until your head blows off with a better engine to boot and it rewires like a mofo. Shit, if I was a new programmer I'd get neither and just hammer Ableton until a smash record came out, but if I had to choose, I'd def pick 'Synapse Orion' over slap ass 'over hyped' "Reason' any damn day. If I was dead and in Hell, and the devil said he'd let me go if I made him a smash fckn record in any genre; but all I could use was 'reason', I wouldn't even try. I'd just jump into the pit and get it over with. At least with Orion I'd have a prayer. For around the same price....

2 tiny pennies:)

I know some big name producers and bands that swear by it. Prodigy for one.

Quite simply...you must know how to use it properly.

LMFAO, thats a BIG ass statement... That I hope your willing to back up with 3 million dollars worth of outboard gear. "you must know how to use it properly" lol........ jezzus I gotta go to sleep bro. 'Smack my bitch up' made on Reason?... lol... Look, do what ya want, believe what you want. I was just stating my opinion as an engineer. end of story... night night


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